1950 "Whiz Kids" team. The Phillies are the longest continuous franchise (est. 1883)

tedzan · #1 08-10-2021, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Konstanty is one of the Crown Jewels of the Topps 1951 Current All Stars set and one of the toughest Topps cards

Hi Al

This is true....but, so is the Robin Roberts card in the Topps 1951 Current All Stars set as scarce as the Konstanty card.

But of course, Roberts is in the 1950 Philadelphia Inquirer team set.

Konstanty's performance in the 1950 season was outstanding. The Phillies would not have won the the NL Pennant without him.
So, I reiterate......it remains a mystery as to why Jim Konstanty was not featured in the 1950 Philadelphia Inquirer team set ? ?

TED Z

T206 Reference
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egri · #2 08-10-2021, 08:11 PM

Could it have been a licensing issue?

Darner · #3 08-10-2021, 08:39 PM

Here's Konstanty from the cover of the Inquirer's Sunday magazine, "Today" which published the other cut-out cards. Also some of my Whiz Kids pennants. If you look closely, they misspelled Konstanty as "Konstany" on the roster pennant.

whiteymet · #4 08-10-2021, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Al

This is true....but, so is the Robin Roberts card in the Topps 1951 Current All Stars set as scarce as the Konstanty card.

But of course, Roberts is in the 1950 Philadelphia Inquirer team set.

Konstanty's performance in the 1950 season was outstanding. The Phillies would not have won the the NL Pennant without him.
So, I reiterate......it remains a mystery as to why Jim Konstanty was not featured in the 1950 Philadelphia Inquirer team set ? ?

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted:

Ed beat me to it, but Konstanty was included in the set, Well, not really. He was on the front cover of the first Inquirer Today Magazine that included the smaller photos you started this thread with. It was dated September 17, 1950 and this issue had Simmons, Heintzelman, Church, Silvestri, Ennis Waitkus, Meyer and Goliat. You can see the entire cover below.

If you want the rest of checklist as issued in the next three issues I would be glad to supply it as I have all four issues in the complete Magazine.

As for Ashburn bunting, I once had a conversation with Roberts about the Sisler homerun. He had gotten a hit earlier in the inning and Ashburn was up to bunt he and Waitkus over but Ashburn's bunt was bad and Robby was thrown out at third. I tried to kid him about Whitey laying down a bad bunt, but Robbie didn't bite and diss his friend, Saying Ashburn was the best bunter he ever saw.

whiteymet · #5 08-10-2021, 09:25 PM

Ed:

On the Phillies pennant you reference where they spelled Konstanty's name wrong there is something else on there I always wondered about.

It has Earnshaw 18 on it as well. This is George Earnshaw a coach. However I can find no reference to Earnshaw being a coach for the 1950 Phillies team

He was not included in any of the other '50 Phillies sets, some of which contained coaches. I THINK I checked the '50 Phillies yearbook and he wasn't listed in there or the World Series program either.

Baseball Reference does show him being a coach for the entire season, but as noted I could find nothing for him as coaching for the team in 1950.

I had heard rumblings he and Manager Eddie Sawyer did not get along so perhaps he was banished because of that. He was to be the pitching coach, but it seems Cy Perkins was listed as the pitching coach.

oldjudge · #6 08-10-2021, 11:38 PM

The Phillies are the longest continuous franchise (est. 1883)

Really? What about the Cubs (est. 1876)? The Braves were also established in 1876 although they have moved locations a few times.

bgar3 · #7 08-11-2021, 06:09 AM

Thanks Ed and Fred, that is the cover I referenced. I wasn�t sure if that one contained the images inside, glad to hear it does.

mrreality68 · #8 08-11-2021, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

The Phillies are the longest continuous franchise (est. 1883)

Really? What about the Cubs (est. 1876)? The Braves were also established in 1876 although they have moved locations a few times.

Good Points.

The Art of History

tedzan · #9 08-11-2021, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darner

Here's Konstanty from the cover of the Inquirer's Sunday magazine, "Today" which published the other cut-out cards. Also some of my Whiz Kids pennants. If you look closely, they misspelled Konstanty as "Konstany" on the roster pennant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Ted:

Ed beat me to it, but Konstanty was included in the set, Well, not really. He was on the front cover of the first Inquirer Today Magazine that included the smaller photos you started this thread with. It was dated September 17, 1950 and this issue had Simmons, Heintzelman, Church, Silvestri, Ennis Waitkus, Meyer and Goliat. You can see the entire cover below.

If you want the rest of checklist as issued in the next three issues I would be glad to supply it as I have all four issues in the complete Magazine.

As for Ashburn bunting, I once had a conversation with Roberts about the Sisler homerun. He had gotten a hit earlier in the inning and Ashburn was up to bunt he and Waitkus over but Ashburn's bunt was bad and Robby was thrown out at third. I tried to kid him about Whitey laying down a bad bunt, but Robbie didn't bite and diss his friend, Saying Ashburn was the best bunter he ever saw.

Ed and Fred,

Thanks for solving the missing Konstanty mystery. I've wondered for many years why he wasn't included in my 24-card Whiz Kids set.

You guys are fantastic.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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phlflyer1 · #10 08-11-2021, 04:04 PM

Here's to Ed and Fred for putting a "lid" on Ted's Konstanty mystery.

molenick · #11 08-11-2021, 06:16 PM

No more cards to post but here is my copy of the Jim Konstanty book from the Barnes MVP series.

jingram058 · #12 08-11-2021, 07:13 PM

1950 Fightin' Phillies

BobC · #13 08-11-2021, 09:54 PM

Hunt just had 8 of those Philly Inquirer cut-outs in their auction ending tonight, Lot #1142. You don't see these come up for sale very often either.

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