Which one is nicer?

[Rhotchkiss]

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

[tbob]

I’m guessing the one on the left is the SGC card. Yes, yes, yes I know it’s a PSA world when it comes to investing and/or reselling but I love being able to buy nice looking SGC cards at a marked discount in comparable grade to PSA ones in auctions and eBay.

[JayZim13]

I also don't like the tilt on the one on the right. Didn't notice the spot until it was mentioned above. If the one on the left is an 8, shouldn't the other one be a 7?

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by tbob

I’m guessing the one on the left is the SGC card. Yes, yes, yes I know it’s a PSA world when it comes to investing and/or reselling but I love being able to buy nice looking SGC cards at a marked discount in comparable grade to PSA ones in auctions and eBay.

+1

[uniship]

Yes there’s two ways to look at this. One way is to be mystified at why there is such a huge price difference between holders. The other is to take advantage of it and buy amazing cards at 50+% off.

[Johnny630]

Let this be a good case study…..to us the nicer Card means more…..to the investor the Money means more they go where the money is regardless of what the card looks like. In the end it’s not about the card it’s about the money.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Let this be a good case study…..to us the nicer Card means more…..to the investor the Money means more they go where the money is regardless of what the card looks like. In the end it’s not about the card it’s about the money.

Agreed +1

[tbob]

Originally Posted by uniship

Yes there’s two ways to look at this. One way is to be mystified at why there is such a huge price difference between holders. The other is to take advantage of it and buy amazing cards at 50+% off.

+1

[brianclat11]

My take is that I’ll gladly pay a lot less for an SGC graded card. For me, it is about the card and not the piece of plastic that it’s in. Over time, I think this ridiculous fascination on a grading company making a card worth so much more will go away. It only makes sense if you’re looking to take advantage of a flip right now in the market. If that’s you, then by all means buy a card marked up 50% so that you can flip it for a few more bucks. I’m glad I can take advantage of the situation and buy the nicely slabbed SGC cards that to me look so much better.

[Lorewalker]

The one on right has the tilt and a print spot both of which are eye sores to most but it appears like a more natural card to me. The one on the right will look the part for most collectors but it is slightly toned and not sure what I don't like about it but something feels off. If I had to pick from one I would buy the one on the right.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by uniship

Yes there’s two ways to look at this. One way is to be mystified at why there is such a huge price difference between holders. The other is to take advantage of it and buy amazing cards at 50+% off.

Smart collector, smart buyer, smart money. Shhhhh.........



Peace, Mike

[BearBailey]

I think the one on the right looks better, cleaner and brighter, they both look to have a slight tilt/diamond cut?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I like the right. brighter, slightly better print quality. You can see a higher level of detail in the photo on the right. The left isn't bad at all, but the right is unusually perfect registration. Give me that beautiful image every time.

[puckpaul]

I think both are overvalued. amazed at what Jackie's cards are selling for now. but I did prefer the left one. That happens a lot, SGC is often a big bargain relative to comparable PSA grades.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I think both are overvalued. amazed at what Jackie's cards are selling for now. but I did prefer the left one. That happens a lot, SGC is often a big bargain relative to comparable PSA grades.

Some like to pint the price difference as a negative. I see it as an SGC buying opportunity! All Day!

Peace, Mike

[uniship]

My opinion is the 52 topps jackie Robinson is undervalued. I know nothing compares to the 52 mantle - but if any card should - it’s this one.

Here’s why. The 1952 topps jackie Robinson is adjacent to the Mick on the high number printing sheet. Same classic set. About the same population in high grade (rare). Neither one is the “true rookie”. Both household names. Both hall of famers pictured while still in their youth. And also each card is just GORGEOUS.

Granted, Jackie is not the same caliber of player that Mantle was- but nobody comes close to Jackie’s historical significance. There’s no number retired in all of baseball for anyone besides Jackie. And I think this significance will only continue to grow over time.

Despite all that, it seems the 52 topps Jackie sells for about ten percent the price of a 52 topps Mantle. Check me on that but I think it’s about right on average.

I don’t think they should be equal - but ten percent? Seems awfully low to me. My two cents.

[bks14sr]

This shows why it’s easy for some to make large amounts of money off the masses. The majority are told PSA is what you want, so that’s all they’ll value. They no longer think or use basic logic. I hope this way of thinking continues, as I like finding margins. This happens in every market it seems.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

We already know from Mike's post.
Assuming equal scans, the one on the right has better clarity in the face.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

Great Demonstration and good point

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

Haven't cheated and looked it up, but let me guess, REA probably set the opening bid for the PSA 8 higher than for the SGC 8 as well, right? If so, that just reinforces the pricing bias in the minds of less informed/knowledgable bidders.

[Rhotchkiss]

SGC is on left, PSA on right. Personally, I prefer the one on the left, as the picture tilt and print defect on the PSA one would bug me, although I agree the picture is a bit clearer.

I don’t know what the opening bids were. I don’t follow this card. I just pulled up REA, sorted by most expensive, and they both came up quickly at the top and I instantly noted the price difference, compared the cards, could not see a material difference other than the flip, and started a thread

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

SGC is on left, PSA on right. Personally, I prefer the one on the left, as the picture tilt and print defect on the PSA one would bug me, although I agree the picture is a bit clearer.

I don’t know what the opening bids were. I don’t follow this card. I just pulled up REA, sorted by most expensive, and they both came up quickly at the top and I instantly noted the price difference, compared the cards, could not see a material difference other than the flip, and started a thread

Guessed right. And since you outed it, went and looked them up in REA's auction. And sure eough, the PSA card had a $25K opening bid, whereas the SGC card only had a $10K opening bid. Makes no sense for that disparity to me, unless the opening bids were somewhat set by the consignors, who had different ideas on what their cards would bring.

I agree with you and like the SGC card better, for the slight tilt/diamond cut and the print mark by the cap on the PSA card, and most especially for the price difference. Wow!!! Be interesting to see where these end up now.

And just now saw Mark's post about the consignor likely asking for a higher reserve on the PSA card after all. I still wonder if that opening bid disparity doesn't also play in to why some bidders will go so much more for it than the comparably graded SGC card.

[perezfan]

It's ridiculous.... The larger blown-up photos better reveal the fish-eye and tilt to the PSA example on the right. I originally thought it was a toss up, but can now see that the far less expensive one is the superior card.

[chalupacollects]

i vote left

[Peter_Spaeth]

This board may have the only people left in the hobby who actually care about the card as opposed to the flip. Which of course is fine but at this point given all that has happened there is just no reason to be surprised at the likely result here.

[uniship]

a PSA 8 example of this card sold for $384,000 earlier this year. When you think about the population of this card in the grade of 8 and higher (I think it’s about the same as the 52 topps mantle) and the relative price to the 52 Mantle, it almost seems like this Jackie Robinson card is largely undervalued.

Oh - and I like the card on the left.

[marzoumanian]

I was at the National in Chicago and asked Dean F. why the starting bid on the PSA was at $25,000 and the starting bid on the SGC was at $10,000. I was interested because I have an SGC 7.5 of this card.
What he told me was that there are times when if REA wants to get a large collection from someone who requests a significant reserve on certain cards it will bend. This was the case here, as I understand it. To be clear, if I submitted JUST my SGC 7.5 to REA and asked for a larger than normal reserve on just the ONE card, REA would say NO is what Dean told me. It's all about the SIZE of the overall collection being submitted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by marzoumanian

I was at the National in Chicago and asked Dean F. why the starting bid on the PSA was at $25,000 and the starting bid on the SGC was at $10,000. I was interested because I have an SGC 7.5 of this card.
What he told me was that there are times when if REA wants to get a large collection from someone who requests a significant reserve on certain cards it will bend. This was the case here, as I understand it. To be clear, if I submitted JUST my SGC 7.5 to REA and asked for a larger than normal reserve on just the ONE card, REA would say NO is what Dean told me. It's all about the SIZE of the overall collection being submitted.

What's the difference, both amounts are trivial in the context of the value of the card and what it will sell for.

[Fred]

Something just looks "off" about the SGC8 card, my assumption is that bidders fill the same because that's huge difference in price between 8's.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

If/when we get to post 50, I will reveal which is PSA and which is SGC (if you haven’t already looked it up).

The point of the thread was to show how much a flip is worth. I think we can all agree they are both very nice, and the opinions are fairly evenly split so far as to which is nicer. Yet the PSA card currently sits at $35k more than the other (auction ain’t done yet); almost 66% the current value of the SGC card.

Since the PSA holder corners are visible in the pics it won't be a surprise.

[steve B]

I also like the left card. The tilt and print flaw really don't say "8" to me.

[Snowman]

I saw these both the other day and thought the exact same thing. That SGC is considerably better than the PSA in my opinion. Crazy thing is, if you cracked out the SGC and sent it to PSA today you'd probably get a 6.5 or 7 if you're lucky because they've moved the goalposts.