HBO's Real Sports Will Cover Baseball Card Boom

mrreality68 · #1 08-24-2021, 05:52 PM

Some one please provide a recap once it airs since many of us do not have HBO

or if their is a LINK on some or all of it.

Please let us know

Thanks in advance

danf19 · #2 08-24-2021, 06:21 PM

Not seeing it on tonight�s hbo schedule anyone else see it ??
Thanks

Bicem · #3 08-25-2021, 09:04 AM

Thought it was fine. Mostly around the modern surge and $$$$ that's now involved.

Highlights:
Some 18 year old's $3M modern basketball collection after the surge and how he's now worth more than his father and is skipping college to focus on cards.

Some high-end private collector showing some of his cards like a Wagner and the huge security team he uses when transporting cards. Had a case of 24 cards worth $40M, mostly high grade mainstream Ruth, Cobb, Jackson, Aaron, Mantle, Robinson (going from memory) and the Wagner (PSA 3 I think).

Some shop owner that does live breaks and is now making millions after the surge. Shows him attending the National via private jet.

Lots of video from the National. Interview with our favorite FBI agent.

Some collector of NBA Top Shot and explaining non tangible digital collectibles.

Think that was about it unless I'm missing something.

MattyC · #4 08-25-2021, 09:46 AM

I hope they covered all the massive manipulation behind the surge in prices. Even if one loves cards and collecting, to participate in the hobby these days--- especially in the expensive end-- makes one feel like a mark at worst or in desperate need of a shower at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A

Johnny630 · #5 08-25-2021, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyC

I hope they covered all the massive manipulation behind the surge in prices. Even if one loves cards and collecting, to participate in the hobby these days--- especially in the expensive end-- makes one feel like a mark at worst or in desperate need of a shower at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A

Agree but doubt they will. That would have to be on an American Greed Show.

MattyC · #6 08-25-2021, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree but doubt they will. That would have to be on an American Greed Show.

Yep, as well it should be. Things just don't surge naturally the way so many cards have. But enthusiastic participants want to believe they are making savvy buys on an ever upward slope� and that belief is seemingly supported by a reality created by the AH's and TPGs that are in cahoots (and now even incestuously co-owned).

We all long knew of the cozy relationship between AHs and TPGs. The favorable grades given. The direct lines of contact between the AH heads and Orlando. The "Invitationals" where high-volume submitters/doctors were granted physical audience with the graders, where the doctors were actually told what to fix on a card, to get the card into a higher graded holder. All this shade has long been out in the open, so it amazes me there are people who believe the price surges of the past two years are due solely to natural demand and new money. After all, one part of creating a trap/bubble is the drawing in of new money who believe there is a real market developing. That belief is nutured and fostered by the prices that the AHs record.

Is there genuine demand at some level? Of course; it's the mass of collectors who form that key backbone of genuine demand; then the shady AHs and TPGs stand on that backbone to take things to where they are now.

We can only hope something happens to catalyze a massive correction; that may only be collectors all abstaining, which is impossible, LOL. Theoretically, if collectors left the sordid sandbox, that would leave just a bunch of manipulators passing the hot potato around with no marks in sight. Then maybe they'd just leave� and we'd see what prices look like then.

Of course, when collectors returned, so would the manipulators. And as prices rose once again, too many myopic mark collectors would break out their pom-poms to cheer their rising card values, not realizing all else they're cheering for� which includes more money out of their pockets due to higher prices, LOL.

MattyC · #7 08-25-2021, 10:19 AM

By the way, that video on manipulation was just poofed on the PSA boards. Unsurprisingly, LOL.

But what do we expect when the same guys own the TPGs and the AHs.

God Forbid we collector marks get wise and discuss how these guys are using our love of collecting to fuel steroidal prices and line their pockets.

Johnny630 · #8 08-27-2021, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yep, as well it should be. Things just don't surge naturally the way so many cards have. But enthusiastic participants want to believe they are making savvy buys on an ever upward slope� and that belief is seemingly supported by a reality created by the AH's and TPGs that are in cahoots (and now even incestuously co-owned).

We all long knew of the cozy relationship between AHs and TPGs. The favorable grades given. The direct lines of contact between the AH heads and Orlando. The "Invitationals" where high-volume submitters/doctors were granted physical audience with the graders, where the doctors were actually told what to fix on a card, to get the card into a higher graded holder. All this shade has long been out in the open, so it amazes me there are people who believe the price surges of the past two years are due solely to natural demand and new money. After all, one part of creating a trap/bubble is the drawing in of new money who believe there is a real market developing. That belief is nutured and fostered by the prices that the AHs record.

Is there genuine demand at some level? Of course; it's the mass of collectors who form that key backbone of genuine demand; then the shady AHs and TPGs stand on that backbone to take things to where they are now.

We can only hope something happens to catalyze a massive correction; that may only be collectors all abstaining, which is impossible, LOL. Theoretically, if collectors left the sordid sandbox, that would leave just a bunch of manipulators passing the hot potato around with no marks in sight. Then maybe they'd just leave� and we'd see what prices look like then.

Of course, when collectors returned, so would the manipulators. And as prices rose once again, too many myopic mark collectors would break out their pom-poms to cheer their rising card values, not realizing all else they're cheering for� which includes more money out of their pockets due to higher prices, LOL.

+1 you�re the only other guy I�ve seen on here mention invitationals being able to sit and talk one on one with the grader how shady was that. I hope they stoped doing those.

todeen · #9 08-25-2021, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree but doubt they will. That would have to be on an American Greed Show.

Anyone know those directors to get a show produced?

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Bicem · #10 08-25-2021, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyC

I hope they covered all the massive manipulation behind the surge in prices. Even if one loves cards and collecting, to participate in the hobby these days--- especially in the expensive end-- makes one feel like a mark at worst or in desperate need of a shower at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A

No mention of that

conor912 · #11 08-25-2021, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyC

I hope they covered all the massive manipulation behind the surge in prices. Even if one loves cards and collecting, to participate in the hobby these days--- especially in the expensive end-- makes one feel like a mark at worst or in desperate need of a shower at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A

That�s a wild watch. Pretty much a perfect apples to apples for cards. Certainly paints Jim Halperin as a real POS.

Brian Van Horn · #12 08-25-2021, 02:34 PM

It should be interesting in a couple years. Just saying.

Harliduck · #13 08-25-2021, 02:52 PM

I enjoyed the segment for the most part...that was a great recap by Bicem.

The card shop owner that took the jet to the National didn't make sense to me. I get making money on the new shiny stuff, pack breaks, all that...but they didn't give much info on how he is making "millions". I assume he must have cashed in a few new 1 of 1 cards or something, but that guy didn't add up to me...and came off as a douche.

The 18 year old kid seems pretty savvy. Loved his line that his generation will look at an Aaron rookie the same as past generations looked at a Picasso. Great comment...

philo98 · #14 08-25-2021, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyC

I hope they covered all the massive manipulation behind the surge in prices. Even if one loves cards and collecting, to participate in the hobby these days--- especially in the expensive end-- makes one feel like a mark at worst or in desperate need of a shower at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A

This is an excellent video and is no doubt happening in the sports card market today. Probably could also include the memorabilia market as well.

mrreality68 · #15 08-25-2021, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bicem

Thought it was fine. Mostly around the modern surge and $$$$ that's now involved.

Highlights:
Some 18 year old's $3M modern basketball collection after the surge and how he's now worth more than his father and is skipping college to focus on cards.

Some high-end private collector showing some of his cards like a Wagner and the huge security team he uses when transporting cards. Had a case of 24 cards worth $40M, mostly high grade mainstream Ruth, Cobb, Jackson, Aaron, Mantle, Robinson (going from memory) and the Wagner (PSA 3 I think).

Some shop owner that does live breaks and is now making millions after the surge. Shows him attending the National via private jet.

Lots of video from the National. Interview with our favorite FBI agent.

Some collector of NBA Top Shot and explaining non tangible digital collectibles.

Think that was about it unless I'm missing something.

Thanks for the highlights on it

Tabe · #16 08-25-2021, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bicem

Some shop owner that does live breaks and is now making millions after the surge. Shows him attending the National via private jet.

Seems like this is a way to make good money these days. Not sure how one would make millions doing it unless you've got a monetized Youtube channel that's doing huge numbers of views. But breaks are super popular right now and there's a lot money to be made doing them.

Foo3112 · #17 08-25-2021, 06:46 PM

Thanks for providing those highlight recaps. I'll have to try and find it online somewhere since I don't have an HBO subscription.

Mountaineer1999 · #18 08-26-2021, 01:49 PM

I found it a little depressing as I've made no money ��

Vegas Cards · #19 08-26-2021, 02:21 PM

Am I the only one that felt worried for that kid? I hope he goes to college. Take some business classes. More than just the learning, it's a great opportunity to expand horizons, see what else is out there in the world. And I hope someone is telling him to diversify. Sell some cards. Buy a duplex. Buy the S&P 500. Anything. I'd hate to hear about him in his twenties, no college, having lost it all. Too depressing.

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