Walter Johnson PSA 6 and Dave Bancroft 1 of 1

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by awrede2

Doug,

Thanks for your thoughts! I think you may be mistaken, this Bancroft is the Wool's set, not w551. If you have another Wool's card that's awesome! Is it for sale?

We can only speak to what we know exists and my Bancroft is the only known in the PSA shared population for any grade. I understand your concerns on grading, it's not something I'm in love with either so ya, I'm with you.

Thanks again!

I'm not "concerned" about grading, I just think it's stupid, I however have no problem with you or anybody else paying somebody for their (often invalid) opinion.

I was simply pointing out that your "1 of 1" is not unique (as "1 of 1" implies).

I'm fully aware of what type of card you posted, I looked at the pictures in your various posts before I responded.

Yes, your card is the only card that has been graded by that particular opinion seller, but that does not make your card a "1 of 1" that makes slab slab a "1 of 1".

I suppose mine is a "1 of 1" because it's likely the only one that has been in the Gelson's grocery store in Studio City.

Doug

[G1911]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

I'm not "concerned" about grading, I just think it's stupid, I however have no problem with you or anybody else paying somebody for their (often invalid) opinion.

I was simply pointing out that your "1 of 1" is not unique (as "1 of 1" implies).

I'm fully ware of what type of card you posted, I looked at the pictures in your various posts before I responded.

Yes, your card is the only card that has been graded by that particular opinion seller, but that does not make your card a "1 of 1" that makes slab slab a "1 of 1".

I suppose mine is a "1 of 1" because it's likely the only one that has been in the Gelson's grocery store in Studio City.

Doug

This. A true 1 of 1 is a unique card, not the only one whose owner paid a specific company to tell them what it is.

[ejharrington]

Don’t let the grumps bully you. The big auction houses use the term 1/1 all the time. But they’d rather make their point with the new guy.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Don’t let the grumps bully you. The big auction houses use the term 1/1 all the time. But they’d rather make their point with the new guy.

Or just maybe, “true 1 of 1” has an actual, definable meaning, and the claim made is simply untrue.

[clydepepper]

As the son of an educator, I am so proud to see that the members participating in this thread resisted the urge to include 'very' or 'highly' when using the word unique!

You have. at least temporarily, positioned yourselves above trolls and other such creatures. Congratulations!


There may be hope for us yet...
.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Don’t let the grumps bully you.

I will acknowledge that I am a bit of a grump, at the very least, but I am in no way being a bully.

Originally Posted by ejharrington

The big auction houses use the term 1/1 all the time.

Yes, and they are wrong about it frequently, and I grumpily send them emails to point out their mistakes often.

Originally Posted by ejharrington

But they’d rather make their point with the new guy.

Better to teach the new guy correctly, than to wait until he's an old grump.

Originally Posted by G1911

Or just maybe, “true 1 of 1” has an actual, definable meaning, and the claim made is simply untrue.

Exactly, by any logical way of thinking "1 of 1" means "unique" as in "there is only one, and this is it".

The card being discussed is not unique, therefore my grumpiness has nothing to do with this conversation, but the "1 of more than 1" nature of the card does.

Originally Posted by clydepepper

As the son of an educator, I am so proud to see that the members participating in this thread resisted the urge to include 'very' or 'highly' when using the word unique!

You have. at least temporarily, positioned yourselves above trolls and other such creatures. Congratulations!


There may be hope for us yet...
.

I suppose that could make this thread very "1 of 1".


Doug "happy to be a founding member (and probably tallest) of the 7 dwarves" Goodman

[ValKehl]

Awrede2, FYI, the SGC pop report shows a total of 3 Wool's Bread cards, including a Bancroft in SGC 6. Here's the link: https://gosgc.com/pop-report/result/...51%29/Baseball

As you will note, the other 2 Wool's Bread cards in the SGC pop report are a Babe Ruth and a Frank Baker. Interestingly, I happen to have this Wool's card of Wally Pipp which is graded SGC 5, but isn't shown in SGC's pop report (no surprise). I also have this raw Wool's card of WaJo, and there are no WaJos or Pipps in either the PSA or SGC pop reports. So, that makes these 2 cards 1 of 1s to me, until I see evidence that they aren't, no matter what Grumpy Goodman says or thinks (Hi Doug)!!

[Yastrzemski Sports]

The Johnson is very nice. Great card.

I have a couple of thoughts on Bancroft.

The PSA pop report reads: 1921 Wool's American-Maid Bread-Hand Cut(No Longer Grade/Authentic)

I take that to mean this is a now defunct slab - an admitted mistake of a grader at the earlier days of PSA. To me, it looks like someone at Wool's Bread took an ink stamp and marked the backs of a bunch of them to advertise the company as you can see the outline of the stamp on the Johnson shown above.

I am also doubting the grade would hold up - it appears to have back damage.

My guess is that if it was resubmitted today it would be catalogued as a W551 and would be graded 1-2 MK. Your card may have value to anyone who collects retired slabs or wants to add to their backstamp collection. It's an interesting card. Definitely unique and has a story. Good luck your cards.

[brianp-beme]

All cards look original to me, but the Wool's stamp seems, at least to me, to be suspiciously bold, unlike most other stamped vintage cards. I guess the stamper could have been very consistent with re-inking the stamp...

Brian

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

To me, it looks like someone at Wool's Bread took an ink stamp and marked the backs of a bunch of them to advertise the company as you can see the outline of the stamp on the Johnson shown above.

That's an offset transfer of the border and a bit of the line at the top of the cap.