Small Traditions LLC/SCANDAL UPDATE

perezfan · #1 09-17-2021, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

What is actually absurd is that you just posted the above. If ya want to play devil�s advocate or challenge groupthink, ya might want to start posting actual facts and accurate statements. When you don�t�and you don�t�it is not really contributing to an honest debate. The closer I read you the more I see you don�t always really know what you are talking about. Not sure why more do not call you out, honestly.

Anyway your conclusion that �the crowd always pointed to the fact that PWCC got higher prices for their cards than other eBay sellers� was a basis for their determining shill bidding at PWCC is as spot on as you asserting eBay was materially impacted by their banning PWCC. The crowd does not have access to eBay bidder records but even without those there were countless times it was demonstrated shill bidding occurred.

Plus (as has already been pointed out) there is a publicly posted text message interchange in which Brent himself instructs his "minion" to place the shill bid. I don't have time to find it, but it's been well publicized. Perhaps Snowman conveniently forgot about that minor detail?

Peter_Spaeth · #2 09-17-2021, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Plus (as has already been pointed out) there is a publicly posted text message interchange in which Brent himself instructs his "minion" to place the shill bid. I don't have time to find it, but it's been well publicized. Perhaps Snowman conveniently forgot about that minor detail?

I am the last guy on earth to defend Brent, but I actually think that particular text message in context is not that damning.

perezfan · #3 09-17-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am the last guy on earth to defend Brent, but I actually think that particular text message in context is not that damning.

Well maybe not, to an accomplished attorney. I'm sure his words could be twisted and interpreted in similar fashion to Bill Clinton trying to define the word "is". But to the average collector schmuck like me, it looked awfully bad. I personally did not see much of a grey area.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 09-17-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Well maybe not, to an accomplished attorney. I'm sure his words could be twisted and interpreted in similar fashion to Bill Clinton trying to define the word "is". But to the average collector schmuck like me, it looked awfully bad. I personally did not see much of a grey area.

It's not that nuanced. Courtney was string bidding on a card but had stopped one level below taking the lead; the card was still well below market value as I recall. Brent said just take the lead for now it's a bad look when you string bid but stop short. Given where the bidding was, I didn't see it as trying to run the card up. That said, I would guess Courtney had lots of stuff that was much more damning.

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