Best Starting 9 in a single set?

rhettyeakley · #1 09-19-2021, 11:29 AM

M101-4 (very similar to the Cracker Jack lust above but you can sneak Ruth onto the list)

P - Babe Ruth (that is what he is listed at on the card) but Ruth can be replaced at Pitcher by Walter Johnson if Speaker gets replaced by Ruth as OF)
C - Roger Bresnahan
1B - Frank Chance
2B - Nap Lajoie (or Eddie Collins…take your pick)
SS - Honus Wagner
3B - Home Run Baker
OF - Ty Cobb
OF - Tris Speaker (replaced by Ruth if you aren’t getting too technical about the position in front)
OF - Shoeless Joe Jackson

Along the same line of thinking is the Collins-McCarthy set (E135) which would allow for Hornsby to sneak in as 1st B (as listed on the card) but you still have the problem of Ruth listed as a pitcher.

nolemmings · #2 09-19-2021, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

M101-4 (very similar to the Cracker Jack lust above but you can sneak Ruth onto the list)

P - Babe Ruth (that is what he is listed at on the card) but Ruth can be replaced at Pitcher by Walter Johnson if Speaker gets replaced by Ruth as OF)
C - Roger Bresnahan
1B - Frank Chance
2B - Nap Lajoie (or Eddie Collins�take your pick)
SS - Honus Wagner
3B - Home Run Baker
OF - Ty Cobb
OF - Tris Speaker (replaced by Ruth if you aren�t getting too technical about the position in front)
OF - Shoeless Joe Jackson

Along the same line of thinking is the Collins-McCarthy set (E135) which would allow for Hornsby to sneak in as 1st B (as listed on the card) but you still have the problem of Ruth listed as a pitcher.

Slight problems there Rhett. Speaker is not in m101-4/5. Bresnahan and Chance are m101-5 only but Cobb is m101-4 only, so technically you can't have all. One swap I would make is Sisler for Chance at 1B in m101-4. If you want a really studly pitching staff, try m101-5, where both Ruth AND Sisler are listed as moundsmen, then you could add Walter Johnson and Grover Alexander. Not exactly the 2021 Minnesota Twins rotation, but it would do.

BobbyStrawberry · #3 09-19-2021, 01:59 PM

t206 would get you a pretty good all HOF squad (one of many possible versions...)

P Cy Young
1B Sam Crawford
2B Nap Lajoie
SS Honus Wagner
3B George Davis
LF Zack Wheat
CF Tris Speaker
RF Ty Cobb
C Roger Bresnahan

Now how would structure the lineup....😀

isiahfan · #4 09-19-2021, 02:19 PM

A lot of vintage ones...I like this modern one

1995 Bowman

C - Piazza or IRod
1B - Thomas
2B - Alomar
SS - ARod
3B - Chipper
OF - Bonds/Griffey/Henderson
SP - Martinez/Maddux/Johnson/Clemens
Set up - Eck
RP - Rivera

Like my chances if you don't take them in 95 but rather in their primes/overall careers...also could drop back to 94 and insert Ryan and Brett..but then you don't have them all in the same set,

Wanaselja · #5 09-19-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by isiahfan

A lot of vintage ones...I like this modern one

1995 Bowman

C - Piazza or IRod
1B - Thomas
2B - Alomar
SS - ARod
3B - Chipper
OF - Bonds/Griffey/Henderson
SP - Martinez/Maddux/Johnson/Clemens
Set up - Eck
RP - Rivera

Like my chances if you don't take them in 95 but rather in their primes/overall careers...also could drop back to 94 and insert Ryan and Brett..but then you don't have them all in the same set,

This is a great one. I was thinking mid 90�s as well.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 09-19-2021, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isiahfan

A lot of vintage ones...I like this modern one

1995 Bowman

C - Piazza or IRod
1B - Thomas
2B - Alomar
SS - ARod
3B - Chipper
OF - Bonds/Griffey/Henderson
SP - Martinez/Maddux/Johnson/Clemens
Set up - Eck
RP - Rivera

Like my chances if you don't take them in 95 but rather in their primes/overall careers...also could drop back to 94 and insert Ryan and Brett..but then you don't have them all in the same set,

You could move back to 93 Finest Refractors, swap in Ripken at SS and Brett at 3B and I think all you lose are Pedro and Rivera.and of course you get Ryan.

Carter08 · #7 09-19-2021, 08:10 PM

I mainly think a lineup of stars from this year would beat any of the past lineups, obviously just due to conditioning, league inclusiveness, etc. Perhaps a topic for a different thread but what�s the common thought if we stole Ruth from the past and plopped him into today�s game? Is he a Thome type guy, a Ruth type guy,
or a me type guy (ie not good)?

rats60 · #8 09-19-2021, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carter08

I mainly think a lineup of stars from this year would beat any of the past lineups, obviously just due to conditioning, league inclusiveness, etc. Perhaps a topic for a different thread but what�s the common thought if we stole Ruth from the past and plopped him into today�s game? Is he a Thome type guy, a Ruth type guy,
or a me type guy (ie not good)?

I think any modern lineup loses. You don't have a pitcher that can pitch 9 innings. I think Ruth is still Ruth. The best players would still be among the best. The number of active Hall of Famers per season has been declining since the 70s. Why is that?

rhettyeakley · #9 09-19-2021, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Slight problems there Rhett. Speaker is not in m101-4/5. Bresnahan and Chance are m101-5 only but Cobb is m101-4 only, so technically you can't have all. One swap I would make is Sisler for Chance at 1B in m101-4. If you want a really studly pitching staff, try m101-5, where both Ruth AND Sisler are listed as moundsmen, then you could add Walter Johnson and Grover Alexander. Not exactly the 2021 Minnesota Twins rotation, but it would do.

Good points Todd!

I should have thought about it a little more before posting, I remembered that Cobb was only in M101-4 so I went with that one, forgot Speaker wasn't there (makes you wonder why he wasn't included!). You could swap Bresnahan for Schalk (with a bit of a step down) but there really aren't many good 1st Basemen in the M101-4/5 series so that becomes the issue...

Let's go with the Holsum Bread series then...

P - Walter Johnson
C - Ray Schalk
1B - Rogers Hornsby
2B - Eddie Collins
SS - Dave Bancroft
3B - Home Run Baker
OF - Ty Cobb
OF - Babe Ruth
OF - Shoeless Joe Jackson

You lose Wagner at SS but add Ruth to the OF & you get to keep Walter Johnson at P.

I imagine the 1933 Goudey set would be pretty great as you get a huge step up to Bill Dickey at C. and you get to add Lou Gehrig to the mix.

Fun thought exercise for a thread!

Mark · #10 09-19-2021, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

M101-4 (very similar to the Cracker Jack lust above but you can sneak Ruth onto the list)

P - Babe Ruth (that is what he is listed at on the card) but Ruth can be replaced at Pitcher by Walter Johnson if Speaker gets replaced by Ruth as OF)
C - Roger Bresnahan
1B - Frank Chance
2B - Nap Lajoie (or Eddie Collins�take your pick)
SS - Honus Wagner
3B - Home Run Baker
OF - Ty Cobb
OF - Tris Speaker (replaced by Ruth if you aren�t getting too technical about the position in front)
OF - Shoeless Joe Jackson

Along the same line of thinking is the Collins-McCarthy set (E135) which would allow for Hornsby to sneak in as 1st B (as listed on the card) but you still have the problem of Ruth listed as a pitcher.

with Collins McCarthy, you not only get Hornsby at 2b but also Sisler at first.
and I have no problem with using the Babe in the outfield --we can't let the position listed on the front of the card rule our lives.

rhettyeakley · #11 09-19-2021, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

with Collins McCarthy, you not only get Hornsby at 2b but also Sisler at first.
and I have no problem with using the Babe in the outfield --we can't let the position listed on the front of the card rule our lives.

Yeah, I’m probably letting the positions get in the way but they are right there

Hornsby is listed at 1st Base on his E135 card.

SAllen2556 · #12 09-20-2021, 07:40 AM

In the year 2000 we have

c Pudge Rodriguez
1b Jim Thome
2b Craig Biggio
3b Adrian Beltre
ss Alex Rodriguez
lf Barry Bonds
cf Ken Griffey jr.
rf Tony Gwynn
p Randy Johnson/Greg Maddux/Pedro Martinez

Not bad! That's a nice balanced lineup too.

And I like 1927

c Mickey Cochrane
1b Jimmie Foxx/Lou Gehrig
2b Charlie Gehringer
ss Rogers Hornsby
3b Pie Traynor
rf Babe Ruth
cf Tris Speaker
lf Harry Heilmann
p Lefty Grove / Pete Alexander

mrreality68 · #13 09-20-2021, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

In the year 2000 we have

c Pudge Rodriguez
1b Jim Thome
2b Craig Biggio
3b Adrian Beltre
ss Alex Rodriguez
lf Barry Bonds
cf Ken Griffey jr.
rf Tony Gwynn
p Randy Johnson/Greg Maddux/Pedro Martinez

Not bad! That's a nice balanced lineup too.

And I like 1927

c Mickey Cochrane
1b Jimmie Foxx/Lou Gehrig
2b Charlie Gehringer
ss Rogers Hornsby
3b Pie Traynor
rf Babe Ruth
cf Tris Speaker
lf Harry Heilmann
p Lefty Grove / Pete Alexander

WOW

2 Very solid lineups for the 2000 and the 1927.

I would take either group for offense I love the '27 lineup for Pitching I like the 2000's

Peter_Spaeth · #14 09-20-2021, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

In the year 2000 we have

c Pudge Rodriguez
1b Jim Thome
2b Craig Biggio
3b Adrian Beltre
ss Alex Rodriguez
lf Barry Bonds
cf Ken Griffey jr.
rf Tony Gwynn
p Randy Johnson/Greg Maddux/Pedro Martinez

Not bad! That's a nice balanced lineup too.

And I like 1927

c Mickey Cochrane
1b Jimmie Foxx/Lou Gehrig
2b Charlie Gehringer
ss Rogers Hornsby
3b Pie Traynor
rf Babe Ruth
cf Tris Speaker
lf Harry Heilmann
p Lefty Grove / Pete Alexander

Ty Cobb was still playing in 1927. So was Eddie Collins who I would take over Gehringer.

SAllen2556 · #15 09-20-2021, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ty Cobb was still playing in 1927. So was Eddie Collins who I would take over Gehringer.

I meant to use Cobb, that's why I chose 1927, then I forgot....damn senility. But I like Gerhinger over Collins even though Collins was probably the only second baseman in history better than Gehringer. (a little hometown bias)

1927 (slightly revised)
c Mickey Cochrane
1b Jimmie Foxx/Lou Gehrig
2b Charlie Gehringer
ss Rogers Hornsby
3b Pie Traynor
rf Babe Ruth
cf Tris Speaker
lf Ty Cobb
p Lefty Grove / Pete Alexander
DH/pinch hitter Harry Heilmann

yanksfan09 · #16 10-13-2021, 03:17 PM

a bit late on this thread but thought M101-6 Felix Mendelsohn was worth mentioning. Not a very large set either at a bit over 100 cards but chock full of all time greats. If we aren't sticklers for exact listed positions can field:

C. R. Schalk
1b. G. Sisler
2b. Eddie Collins/ Hornsby
3b. Home Run Baker
SS. Honus Wagner (checklisted but unconfirmed) or Hornsby (SS listed on card)
OF. Babe Ruth/ (or Tris Speaker if Ruth pitches)
OF Ty Cobb
OF Joe Jackson
P. Walter Johnson/ Grover Alexander/Babe Ruth
MGR. John McGraw

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