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Old 09-25-2021, 01:29 PM
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I meant to post this closeup of the card I'm least certain about. Does Watanabe seem correct? Or am I totally off base?
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:46 AM
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I clearly have too much time on my hands this weekend. Here is Page 10 of the album. A bit of a puzzling page. There are more cards that I cannot clearly identify than cards I can.

Starting at the top left, the bromide shows Shigeyoshi Morishita in his 1946 Pacific season. This would be one of his rookie cards, and he was an outfielder and occasional pitcher for Pacific, then the Robins, and eventually the Kintetsu Pearls. In a bit of a mystery (to me) the left and center cards in the middle row also look like Morishita and the name of the left card reads “Mori” and the name on the center card os taped over. They both look like Flyers players and, even though Pacific would become the Flyers in 1947, I can’t find a record of Morishita (or anyone whose name stars with “Mori”) playing for the flyers in 1947…for that season, Morishita is listed as a Robins player.

The middle right bromide is the great Robins pitcher Juzo Sanada.

The top right picture is an unidentified Robin player. As is the only card on the bottom row. Does anyone recognize either of them?
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Old 09-27-2021, 04:10 PM
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Page 11 from the album. I am now one-third of the way through the regular bromides (there is a smaller prize card section in the back) and after this post will take a brief break to go back through the cards I've been unable to identify and give them another shot.

On this page...Giichiro Shiraki was a decent pitcher with a relatively short career (seven seasons: one with Pacific, five with Tokyu, and a last with Hankyu). I wouldn’t go on so much about Shiraki except that, after his baseball career, he went on to a successful career in politics. The entire top row, the center and right cards of the middle row, and the right card in the bottom row all depict Shiraki and appear to be from 1947.

The middle left and bottom center cards both appear to be of Shigeaki Kuroo, another Flyers pitcher, and the bottom left Fujiwara, all from 1947 as far as I can tell.
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Frank - nothing to add other than congratulations on such a great album. This thread with research is outstanding!
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Old 09-27-2021, 08:09 PM
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Frank - nothing to add other than congratulations on such a great album. This thread with research is outstanding!
Thanks. Exploring this album has been one of the most enjoyable projects I've undertaken in decades of collecting.

Okay, so through the first 11 pages, I'm down to 7 cards I just can't get a handle on. While I am getting decent with the player names of the era, identifying cards solely from the picture is still a bit outside my comfort zone....
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Old 09-28-2021, 12:10 AM
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Hi Frank,

Here are a few more notes for you: Pacific became the Robins not the Flyers. The Flyers former name was the Senators.

The pitcher in that group is Hirotaro Mori of the Hankyu Braves.

You are correct that the Robins P is Seitaro Watanabe on a 1948 card. There was no Watanabe on the Robins in 1947.

The bottom left P next to Shigeaki Kuroo should not be Fujiwara. The only Fujiwara in Japanese BB in 1947 or 1948 was Dragons C Tetsunosuke Fujiwara.

For the unknown players, I think the sliding player is HOF Makoto Kozuru of the Dragons. He was the only #32 in BB in 1947. He switched to #24 in 1948 when he went to the Flyers.

The Flyers player is HOF Hisanori Karita. The tape is covering the kanji for manager, and at the end of the line is second baseman. Karita was the Flyers Player-Manager in '47 & '48.

Hope this helps,

Jeff
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Old 09-28-2021, 12:46 AM
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At least one more Frank-

The Robins player with his hands on his knees is Shigeyoshi Morishita I believe. I have a nice batting shot of him in a reference book and the face looks the same. I am not sure on these 2, but I think that the Stars RH could be Michio Shigematsu and the LH could be Tsuneo Mitomi. I have a couple of different shots that bear a resemblance for both, but I can't be absolutely sure on either one.

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Old 09-28-2021, 01:09 AM
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Hi Jeff,

Thank you so much. You are very generous with your time.

And of course you are right...silly mistake on my part with Robins and Flyers. Sometimes as I'm writing from my notes I manage to confuse myself hopelessly.

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The bottom left P next to Shigeaki Kuroo should not be Fujiwara. The only Fujiwara in Japanese BB in 1947 or 1948 was Dragons C Tetsunosuke Fujiwara.
That is very interesting. So would it make sense that the bottom left picture (page 11) is then Tetsunosuke Fujiwara? It is a little hard to read but along the top margin of the card is printed:

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