New York - City of Losers

[Shoeless Moe]

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

[Hxcmilkshake]

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[packs]

Yeah, well, it uh......takes one to know one.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

ya...and..."your mother!"

[vintagetoppsguy]

I don't know about all that, but as an Astros fan it was nice seeing Cole (former Astro) get lit up.

[packs]

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

He was quite good I thought in 2020 and his metrics were only down slightly from the Houston years. This year, definitely a notch down though he was still one of the few best pitchers in the league if a little inconsistent.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

Edgy

[D. Bergin]

Cole is a fantastic pitcher, but obviously the sticky stuff helped him...and every other power pitcher on the planet, who relied on late movement along with some semblance of control.

On the Yankees, I think it also hurt Aroldis quite a bit, when they started to clamp down on the syrup.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

Bang the trashcan......slowly.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Not much really more needs to be said.

Mets
Jets
Knicks
Rangers
Giants

ALL SUCK


Yankees
Islanders

Decent, but no where near championship levels.


Chump teams Chump fans! LOVING IT!!!!

The Brooklyn Antivaxers are the current favorite to win the NBA title this year, even with one of their stars set to play in a part time role.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ames-practices

[packs]

I'm going to say it because it hasn't been said, but the Giants, Jets and Islanders don't play in New York City.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm going to say it because it hasn't been said, but the Giants, Jets and Islanders don't play in New York City.

....but you would claim them if they won a championship. C'mon man

[ALR-bishop]

Meg Boyd...."Is Washington winning dear ? "

Joe Boyd....."No. Those Damn Yankees"

[Shoeless Moe]

Sorry, I forgot about Brooklyn (basketball is the one sport I do not watch), thought the Nets were in New Jersey until someone replied in the thread but I'm sure they are like every other New York team, spend spend spend......LOSE.

I actually watched the end of the Jets game last Sunday.

I even rooted for them at the end.

They are like that worst kid on the team who hasn't has a hit all season, then finally gets one, and the team erupts.

That's what NY has been reduced too.

LOVE

IT

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by packs

Cole hasn't been nearly as good as he was in Houston since he left. Makes you wonder what was different....

Beats me.

[vintagetoppsguy]

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

[Seven]

This might come off slightly biased at a Yankees fan but the fact that the Yankees are considered abject failures, because they don't win the World Series year in and year out is kind of ridiculous. Haven't had a losing season since the early 90's, have won 5 World Series trophies in the past 30 years. I have been able to see more than my fair share of Yankees success. While I wish this year turned out differently, and while I definitely have many gripes with how money is being allocated, and our current manager I can hardly complain about the results in my short lifetime.

I've been to many ballparks, I do not think our fans are remotely close to the worst in the sport. Philadelphia, and Sox fans can be brutal, but so can every fan base. Yes we have our obnoxious "27 Rings" group, but not everyone is like that and gross generalizations about the fan base aren't exactly accurate.

Cole has been a great pitcher for us. His metrics both this year and last year prove that. He's been battling a hamstring injury for the greater portion of the past month. These are not excuses, he didn't show up to an important game, and that's why we paid him the big bucks. But if I'm going to harass our best starter over the past two seasons for a couple of bad performances, than I'd just be ignorant. Good thing he will have the opportunity to prove himself next year. I did not think this team was healthy nor constructed in the right manner to win a World Series. I am hardly surprised by the results.

I cannot speak for the other teams. I have little interest outside of Baseball and Soccer though I suppose I support the New York Jets as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you what exactly is wrong with them.

[Shoeless Moe]

With THAT payroll year after year to win 1 WS in the last 20 years is pretty pathetic.

The Florida Marlins won their second World Series in 2003, with a payroll of just $48.8 million, the Yankees payroll in 2003..........$152.7 million.

A NY fan in denial, big surprise.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

With THAT payroll year after year to win 1 WS in the last 20 years is pretty pathetic.

The Florida Marlins won their second World Series in 2003, with a payroll of just $48.8 million, the Yankees payroll in 2003..........$152.7 million.

A NY fan in denial, big surprise.

Money does not buy you Championships. It helps a team get to the playoffs, but then it's a combination of a bit of talent, a bit of luck and a bit of timing. Denial would imply that I haven't accepted the Yankees not winning, and that's clearly not the case, they are not the Franchise they once were. I'm very grateful of all the success I've seen my team have in my lifetime, it's more than many get to see. If this is the end of the line for the Yankees winning then so be it, I am okay with that. The Sox played some great ball last night, Eovaldi really stepped up, pitched a great game. I don't think they go all the way, but they have great chemistry, and clearly feed off of one another. Good veteran leadership in that lockeroom as well. Cora has done a great job with that team.

I hope you have a good night, and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.

[Shoeless Moe]

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

The last 20 years, 4 (Baseball, Football, Hockey, Basketball) major sports titles by city:

Boston (4 teams) 12
LA (7 teams) 9
San Fran (2 teams) 6
Chicago (5 teams) 5
Pittsburgh (3 teams) 5
San Antonio (1 team) 4
Miami (3 teams) 4
Tampa Bay (3 teams) 4
New York (8 teams) 3
Detroit (4 teams) 3
St Louis (4 teams) 3

and to expand, NY sends out 8 teams each year. 8 x 20 (years) = 160 (3 Titles) = pathetic

THUS NY IS THE CITY OF LOSERS! This is not a discussion, it's a fact.

I feel like your missing a bigger city of losers.
Minneapolis (3 teams) 0 championships. To make things worse if you include the hockey team in St Paul that would be 4 teams and no championships.

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

I guess if I was a Yankees fan I would be looking for excuses too but he wasn’t that good to begin with. BTW the trash cans benefit the hitters not the pitchers. Go Blue.


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[TUM301]

Well the trash cans do benefit the hitters but also very much the pitchers. Houston hits a couple bombs early and Cole is pitching with a 4 or 5 run lead in say, the 4`th inning. Big difference in approach when a pitcher of Cole`s ability has a lead to work with. Just my 2 cents. Go Sox !!

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

LOL, a trash can made him go from 602 Ks and a 2.69 ERA his 2 years with the Astros, to 337 Ks and a 3.04 ERA his 2 years with the Yankees. Who knew?

Isn't that how cheating is supposed to work? Who cheats to get worse? I'm talking about the sticky stuff. I didn't bring up the trash can.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Isn't that how cheating is supposed to work? Who cheats to get worse? I'm talking about the sticky stuff. I didn't bring up the trash can.

Someone else brought up the trash can.

I can honestly say that I've never heard allegations of Cole using the sticky stuff, but I admit that I don't follow baseball like I used to. If he's been rumored to have used it, I'll take your word for it.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Bill77

I feel like your missing a bigger city of losers.
Minneapolis (3 teams) 0 championships. To make things worse if you include the hockey team in St Paul that would be 4 teams and no championships.

Yah and you guys do have George Floyd Square. That's got to be quite the draw to athletes.

But no Minnie not even close to Loserville NY and it's surrounding areas.

To have 8 teams, THAT amount of money. etc., and continuously suck year after year is just embarrassing.

And their loud mouth fans.....just karma baby!

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Someone else brought up the trash can.



I can honestly say that I've never heard allegations of Cole using the sticky stuff, but I admit that I don't follow baseball like I used to. If he's been rumored to have used it, I'll take your word for it.

1st or 2nd in the Cy this year..so...I guess he's still kinda good....

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[packs]

Just one example of the sticky stuff covereage re: Cole

https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/...ff-speculation

Cole finished second in WAR among pitchers to Robbie Ray this year. Robbie Ray made 8 million dollars. Cole made 36 million dollars. It's not good enough to just be kinda good or even good. For 36 mil a year you need to be lights out. That is the expectation when you're being paid. If he didn't want that kind of microscope on him, he shouldn't have asked for 36 million a year. He couldn't get out of the third inning of a must win do or die game, he lost 2 out of his last 3 starts at the end of the season, and he gave up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings to end the year.

[frankbmd]

First Commandment of Elite Pitchers

NEVER SHAKE THE UMPIRE'S HAND

[egri]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

First Commandment of Elite Pitchers

NEVER SHAKE THE UMPIRE'S HAND

Only if you're a righty. A lefty could get away with it.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by egri

Only if you're a righty. A lefty could get away with it.

I considered that stipulation, but thought it unneeded as someone like yourself would point it out.

Would a high five with your glove on satisfy your literal analysis as long as one didn’t use his gloved hand?

And I know you are going to say that Jim Abbott couldn’t comply.

If I am guilty of starting a wildfire, I plead no intent.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Just one example of the sticky stuff covereage re: Cole

https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/...ff-speculation

Cole finished second in WAR among pitchers to Robbie Ray this year. Robbie Ray made 8 million dollars. Cole made 36 million dollars. It's not good enough to just be kinda good or even good. For 36 mil a year you need to be lights out. That is the expectation when you're being paid. If he didn't want that kind of microscope on him, he shouldn't have asked for 36 million a year. He couldn't get out of the third inning of a must win do or die game, he lost 2 out of his last 3 starts at the end of the season, and he gave up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings to end the year.

Harsh. Find any pitcher in history who hasn't had a bad stretch even at an important time. The man will finish first or second in Cy Young voting. That's pretty damn good.

[frankbmd]

When pitchers can no longer pitch 162 innings a year, rendering seasonal stats less conclusive, maybe they should just do away with the single Cy Young Award and vote for a litter of Baby Cys instead in each league.

You could then award a career Cy to any pitcher with seven babies.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Harsh. Find any pitcher in history who hasn't had a bad stretch even at an important time. The man will finish first or second in Cy Young voting. That's pretty damn good.

Good is winning important games. One of the games Cole lost against Toronto could have meant the Yankees playing at home. And it is not harsh to expect your 36 million dollar pitcher to show up when it matters.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Good is winning important games. One of the games Cole lost against Toronto could have meant the Yankees playing at home. And it is not harsh to expect your 36 million dollar pitcher to show up when it matters.

It's not realistic. Even the best pitchers lose and don't pitch well in big games sometimes. It's the nature of baseball.

[packs]

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

It would be interesting to see stats on this. For example, stats sometimes don't verify people's perception about certain players being clutch hitters. In any case yeah for Yankees fans it would have been nice if Cole had pitched better in certain games, and I get the frustration. As a Sox fan I am glad he didn't but I still think he's a great pitcher.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm not talking about one game and it seemed realistic when Pettitte, el Duque and Tanaka were typically able to live up to it.

Andy Pettite was pretty awful in Game 6 of the 2001 Series and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

[egri]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Would a high five with your glove on satisfy your literal analysis as long as one didn’t use his gloved hand?

And I know you are going to say that Jim Abbott couldn’t comply.

So long as five fingers are raised in some form, I think the spirit of the rule is met, whether or not the five fingers are obscured by a glove.

Originally Posted by frankbmd

You could then award a career Cy to any pitcher with seven babies.

If innings pitched continue their precipitous decline, before long outfielders will be making more throws each game than pitchers. I propose we retroactively award a Baby Cy to outfielder Gus Zernial, who had six home runs in three games commemorated on his 1952 Topps card (he hit a seventh the following day), and also to pitcher Larry Jansen, who is shown on his card holding up seven fingers--one for each of his children.

[egri]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

...and the supernaturally consistent Mariano Rivera laid an egg in Game 7.

In the 2004 ALCS as well. Just goes to show that even the great ones stumble sometimes.

[packs]

I'm not talking about one game. I'm talking about the guy losing 2 out of 3 starts to end the year, one of which the Yankees were counting on him to win, and then losing again in the Wild Card game and giving up 7 home runs over his last 19 innings.

[frankbmd]

As a die hard Packer fan, I am more than willing to admit that Rodgers laid an egg (or maybe a dozen) in the Saints game.

Objective interpretations by Yankee fans can be harder to find, but not always.
The championship and salary data presented in this thread seems to cast a dim light on the truth of their feeling of entitlement to all the never ending championships that money can buy.

That's why in baseball my teams are the Rays and the Brewers. They don't feel entitled to any championships, but when the small market teams win, I jump for joy. BTW I rooted for the Cardinals last night even though I should be a Dodger homie.

[Shoeless Moe]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

and just hilarious NY's team are #2 & #3, and sitting home watching the playoffs. Well at least you have the Giants & Jets to look forward to now that baseball is over.

[Shoeless Moe]

Jets and Giants tied for worst-record in NFL since 2017


https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/jets...nfl-since-2017

[Shoeless Moe]

Over the last 20 seasons (including this one), the New York Knicks have an abysmal .402 winning percentage. That, of course, ranks dead last in the NBA.

2019 article:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-2-decade-mess


like I said in the first post, chump teams, chump fans.

New York - The City that never sweeps - in more then one way!

[Shoeless Moe]

16th & 24th....not that impressive

A combined 40 seasons

0 Titles

https://champsorchumps.us/records/mo...ins-since-2000

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

16th & 24th....not that impressive

A combined 40 seasons

0 Titles

https://champsorchumps.us/records/mo...ins-since-2000

I was front and center as Mike Milbury and Charles Wang hobbled the Isles. I took Brooklyn off and am now headed to Belmont. I'm not sure the Isles were even in the NHL during that time you mentioned.

It should be noted, the Isles are Long Island's team.

[Shoeless Moe]

Ya got one NY fan in another thread thinking this round of the MLB playoffs is 7 games, and you got this NY fan not thinking the Islanders have been around for the last 20 years.

I love that the NY fans are proving my point.

Bad teams, bad fans.

You can't write this.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Bad teams, bad fans.

You can't write this.

Can you show us on the doll where the bad city touched you?