PWCC - Sorry, Yet Again

perezfan · #1 10-22-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Would you care to share how you know the investigation is still ongoing? I have no knowledge of whether the investigation has been completed or not. But I do know that they were investigated. I did not misspeak. Perhaps they are also still being investigated, but at this point (as it has been years now) the onus is on you to provide evidence of that claim if you wish to make it.

The difference between my viewpoint and yours is that regardless of the outcome, I don't look like the asshole. I am agnostic. I haven't cast judgment either way. If they committed the crimes, then I can simply cast judgment after they have been found guilty in a court of law. That doesn't make me an asshole because I waited for the FBI to do their job. However, if it turns out that they are innocent, and they never get charged with any crimes then you guys turn out to be not just assholes, but assholes of the highest order. And if that happens, you won't see me saying, "see, I told you they were innocent!" because I never made that claim. Everyone seems to always want to jump to a conclusion, whatever the subject. Why can't more people just be ok with not knowing something? I don't know if they are guilty or innocent, and I'm fine with not knowing. You guys don't know if they are guilty or innocent either, yet for reasons I can't understand, you all seem to want to pretend like you know.

Did you even look at the dozens of threads showing concrete proof of alteration? Thousands of cut and dried "before and after" examples for you to peruse through. All miraculously from the same submitter over a multiple-year span...

Whether or not the FBI finally comes around, someone with your self-proclaimed expertise should easily be able to determine for yourself, their obvious level of corruption and complicity.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 10-22-2021, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Did you even look at the dozens of threads showing concrete proof of alteration? Thousands of cut and dried "before and after" examples for you to peruse through. All miraculously from the same submitter over a multiple-year span...

Whether or not the FBI finally comes around, someone with your self-proclaimed expertise should easily be able to determine for yourself, their obvious level of corruption and complicity.

The before and after photos themselves could have been altered, don't you know.

And if PSA graded the cards, how can you possibly blame Brent?

perezfan · #3 10-22-2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The before and after photos themselves could have been altered, don't you know.

And if PSA graded the cards, how can you possibly blame Brent?

If only Leon could add emogis for...

Hear no evil
See no evil
Speak no evil

Snowman · #4 10-22-2021, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Did you even look at the dozens of threads showing concrete proof of alteration? Thousands of cut and dried "before and after" examples for you to peruse through. All miraculously from the same submitter over a multiple-year span...

Yes, I read those. Nearly all, if not all of those posts. The majority of the cards posted certainly were trimmed or altered in some way, I agree. What I'm waiting on is the evidence that PWCC themselves did this.

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Whether or not the FBI finally comes around, someone with your self-proclaimed expertise should easily be able to determine for yourself, their obvious level of corruption and complicity.

Show me one post where I proclaimed expertise in this area. Just one. I'll give you $10k if you can find just one.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 10-22-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, I read those. Nearly all, if not all of those posts. The majority of the cards posted certainly were trimmed or altered in some way, I agree. What I'm waiting on is the evidence that PWCC themselves did this.

Show me one post where I proclaimed expertise in this area. Just one. I'll give you $10k if you can find just one.

They didn't have to do it, if they knew they were trimmed or altered but sold them anyway without disclosure, they're just as culpable. If you've read as much as you claim you would already understand this because I have explained it ad nauseum and probably others have too. And Brent certainly did some of the chemical stuff himself.

perezfan · #6 10-22-2021, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, I read those. Nearly all, if not all of those posts. The majority of the cards posted certainly were trimmed or altered in some way, I agree. What I'm waiting on is the evidence that PWCC themselves did this.

Show me one post where I proclaimed expertise in this area. Just one. I'll give you $10k if you can find just one.

OK perhaps not expertise in this specific area... but expertise in the general hobby of card collecting would preclude any rational collector (or an educated and well-versed collector such as yourself) from venturing into the treacherous waters of Lake Oswego. Is that good enough for the $10K ?

Bigdaddy · #7 10-22-2021, 08:19 PM

I too don't know what the outcome of any FBI or other law enforcement investigation will be, but I have to make a personal decision whether to spend my money with PWCC or not.

And at this point, I have all the evidence I need to make that decision. And so has everyone else. If you continue to deal with them, then you have concluded that they are worthy of your business. And if you don't, then you've come to the other conclusion. For me, I see no reason to do business with them.

Lorewalker · #8 10-22-2021, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

I too don't know what the outcome of any FBI or other law enforcement investigation will be, but I have to make a personal decision whether to spend my money with PWCC or not.

And at this point, I have all the evidence I need to make that decision. And so has everyone else. If you continue to deal with them, then you have concluded that they are worthy of your business. And if you don't, then you've come to the other conclusion. For me, I see no reason to do business with them.

Innocent until proven guilty...sure but given the extent of the allegations, the long history of questionable business practices (one of which was confirmed by eBay), the piles of evidence on BO, Brent's many proclamations up until lawyering up...I prefer to just avoid him. Too many other places to buy cards. Where there is smoke there is fire.

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