Were the T210's actually a 1910 issue or were they issued in 1911?

[oldeboo]

The ledger entry format is brand name at the top of the page, an item from that brand, then directly next to it and inline with the top of that item the information begins.

Take a look at some of the entries:
https://t206resource.com/Ledger%20Page%20Gallery.html

The 3/17/1910 date is exactly where it should be as a description next to the coupon that coincides with T210. The same for the discontinued date. It is not near the above T206 references at all, there is a very clear space and it was intentionally written directly next to the T210 related coupon. Then the cabinet entry is directly below the coupon for that specific cabinet.

We just aren't seeing the same ledger.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

The ledger entry format is brand name at the top of the page, an item from that brand, then directly next to it and inline with the top of that item the information begins.

Take a look at some of the entries:
https://t206resource.com/Ledger%20Page%20Gallery.html

The 3/17/1910 date is exactly where it should be as a description next to the coupon that coincides with T210. The same for the discontinued date. It is not near the above T206 references at all, there is a very clear space and it was intentionally written directly next to the T210 related coupon. Then the cabinet entry is directly below the coupon for that specific cabinet.

We just aren't seeing the same ledger.

I disagree I think the writing underneath that is for the T210 "related" coupon and the 3/17/1910 is for the T206's we know from what you and I both posted that they didn't even have the pictures taken for the T210's at that time.

The coupon also say's ready to mail April 1 1910
Old Mill Ledger page - Copy - Copy.jpg

[oldeboo]

The T210 set is very robust and has more subjects than t206, it was a process. There were images used in the T210 set that directly coincide with cards printed in 1909. Those would have been the first wave to be distributed, in my opinion. I don't think they would have sat on those images until 1911 to release a set of a ton of players no longer on certain teams, just my opinion. The Greminger examples below, that I've found online, are one instance of this and there are many more. The photo shoots that we have seen mentioned are related to other series and distributions.

I added a copy of how I am seeing the ledger, just incase I'm not saying what I'm trying to convey. This is so others can see what I'm seeing. Heck, maybe I'm not right. That's all, that's what I see. That is how I interpret the ledger entries. I know I'm not convincing you. I hope we both understand it's just good conversation about something we are both curious about. I feel like I've learned a lot, but not everything.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

The T210 set is very robust and has more subjects than t206, it was a process. There were images used in the T210 set that directly coincide with cards printed in 1909. Those would have been the first wave to be distributed, in my opinion. I don't think they would have sat on those images until 1911 to release a set of a ton of players no longer on certain teams, just my opinion. The Greminger examples below, that I've found online, are one instance of this and there are many more. The photo shoots that we have seen mentioned are related to other series and distributions.

I added a copy of how I am seeing the ledger, just incase I'm not saying what I'm trying to convey. This is so others can see what I'm seeing. Heck, maybe I'm not right. That's all, that's what I see. That is how I interpret the ledger entries. I know I'm not convincing you. I hope we both understand it's just good conversation about something we are both curious about. I feel like I've learned a lot, but not everything.

Whenever they made a change in the packing they entered the packing and shipping dates for those changes your diagram is missing when they only packed the Major League subjects.
entries.jpg

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Whenever they made a change in the packing they entered the packing and shipping dates for those changes your diagram is missing when they only packed the Major League subjects.

I don't think they would have put a SL and Major League in a pack designated exclusively for T210, just my opinion. There is no mention of any subjects next to the spot in the ledger designated for T210. Certainly above, indeed there were SL and Major League in T206. I'm missing the notation that correlates with the bottom coupon for T210. You almost have me convinced this massive T210 set never existed and ATC only distributed T206.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

I don't think they would have put a SL and Major League in a pack designated exclusively for T210, just my opinion. There is no mention of any subjects next to the spot in the ledger designated for T210. Certainly above, indeed there were SL and Major League in T206. I'm missing the notation that correlates with the bottom coupon for T210. You almost have me convinced this massive T210 set never existed and ATC only distributed T206.

I color coded all the different entries they made for the changes every entry/change has a date assigned to it.

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[oldeboo]

Thank you. You proved my point! I'm going to go watch some football. I'll probably check in later tonight to see if there is even one thing that shows T210 was not discontinued by the end of 1910, and that nothing more than remaining inventory was being sold in 1911. Which by the way, I agree that remaining inventory was still being sold in 1911. I'll stay on the hunt too and dig deeper into 1911 in order to find anything!