T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

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Originally Posted by stutor

Hey Ted ! I haven’t seen another Heinie Wagner proof, but you just never know what’s out there. I sure hope you can locate your last AB460...that would be an epic accomplishment. I’m working on a brown hindu subset, and I oftentimes wonder which one will be the last I need. The brown Hindus aren’t as tough as most of those AB460s though!!!

Hi Sonny

Good luck collecting brown HINDU cards. It's anyone's guess as you approach completing this 136-card sub-set which T206 will be one of your last cards.

Speaking about "last cards", I need Camnitz (hands over head) to complete my AB 460 sub-set. As far as I know, only one exists, and the guy who has it
will not part with it. I can't say that I blame him.

I became interested in the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards when I broke up my 2nd T206 set (521-cards) in 2005. It started with this Zach Wheat card......

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And, of course, my pride and joy in this sub-set is Mr. Cobb......


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Originally Posted by tedzan

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Speaking about AMERICAN BEAUTY cards, there is an interesting process of how American Lithographic (ALC) first printed the AB 350 (No FRAME) cards and
later in the print runs the AB 460 cards.

Circa Summer 1910, ALC printed 190 subjects with AB 350 backs with the stylized FRAME for their 350-only Series. Followed by 37 of these subjects printed
with AB 350, but without the stylized FRAME.

Circa Fall--Winter 1910, ALC extended 63 subjects from the 350-only Series into what we refer to as the 350/460 Series. Subsequently, ALC separated these
63 cards into two Groups. I refer to them as Group A (35 cards), and Group B (28 cards). Post #8 in this Thread amplifies on the Mutually-Exclusive cards in
the 350/460 Series.
Group A cards were printed circa late 1910. Group B cards were printed early 1911 (by Spring of 1911, ALC ended all the T206 production).

Therefore, from the 37 - AB350 NO FRAME cards, 19 subjects from Group B (see checklist below) were printed with both the AB 350 and AB 460 backs.

Furthermore, these 9 subjects from Group B were printed ONLY with AB 460 backs......

Berger
Bradley with (bat)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Jennings (one hand)
Lajoie (with bat)
Leach (bending over)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Doc White (pitching)

Checklist......Group B (19 subjects) printed with both AB 350 (NO FRAME) and AB 460

Burch (fielding)
Conroy (with bat)
Crawford (with bat)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (batting)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Leifield (batting)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (with bat)
Mullin (with bat)
Overall (hand face level)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (with bat)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)
Wilhelm (with bat)
Willetts
Willis (with bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


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Checklist of Group A subjects that were printed with AB 350 (NO FRAME), and were subsequently printed with BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU will be next.


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Continuing with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (NO FRAME) story......

Checklist of 350/460 Series Group A subjects that were printed with AB 350 (NO FRAME).
These were subsequently printed with BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU, instead of AB 460.......

18 Subjects

Baker
Bender (no trees)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (batting)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (New York)


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With respect to the 460-type backs (BROAD LEAF 460 and Red HINDU), the cards of Group A are Mutually-Exclusive with the cards of Group B (AB 460 and UZIT).
I discovered this while doing research on the AB 460 cards and BROAD LEAF 460 cards back in 2010. Refer to.... 350/460 mutually-exclusive cards....post #14.

Illustrated here are the 63 subjects of the 350/460 series which American Lithographic separated into 2 print groups at the tail-end of their T206 press runs.

Group A of the 350/460 series includes 35 subjects printed and issued with these four 460-type backs (circa..late 1910 > early 1911).

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Factory #25 VA ......................... Factory#42 N.C.


Conversely, these 35 subjects were NOT PRINTED with.... AMERICAN BEAUTY 460....UZIT


Group A

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Group B




Group B of the 350/460 series includes 28 subjects printed and issued with these two 460-type backs (circa..Feb-Mar 1911).

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Conversely, these 28 subjects were NOT PRINTED with.. SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 25.. SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42.. red HINDU.. BROAD LEAF 460


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The PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory #25 backs were printed on 109 subjects. Sixty-three of them in the 350/460 Series. And, 46 subjects in the 460-only Series.
It has been my experience that the 350/460 Series cards with this PIEDMONT back are, surprisingly, not so easy to find.

The 460-only Series cards are a given. Therefore, I will focus on the 63 subjects in the 350/460 Series. After years of upgrading my 522-card All - PIEDMONT set,
I still have a few plain PIEDMONT 350 backs that remain in this Series which I'm looking to replace in order to complete this PIEDMONT 350-460 run.


I will start the 350/460 Series display with Ames and Baker. Each of my posts will include a star card (or two). I'll begin with my PIEDMONT 350-460 red Cobb.
Also, displayed here is a 15-card sheet of this Series from my PIEDMONT set binder. More, pictures will follow. So, let's see some of your cards from this Series ?




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I guess I'm the only one on this forum playing this PIEDMONT game

Anyhow, here are some more PIEDMONT sports-cards illustrated......

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From my (all) PIEDMONT set's binder, one more page from the 350/460 series section of cards with PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory #25 backs.









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The parade of T206's with the PIEDMONT 350-460 Factory #25 cards continues.

SOVEREIGN 350
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For those of you who are new to the T206 game, here is the checklist for the 350/460 Series (63 subjects)......

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
H. Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)


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