Best lefty off all time? My vote is Koufax!

Carter08 · #1 11-16-2021, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Hey G1911,

Don't go getting mad at me, but here's another example of how different people's views and meanings directly influence and change their responses to certain questions. In your post, the very last word you ended with was "value". That word alone can spark a whole separate world of conjecture and debate.

For example, in an earlier response in this thread in rebuttal to someone's comment saying WINS is a totally meaningless statistic, it was then asked exactly what is the one sole thing all MLB players are paid and play the game for, or what is really the main reason most all fans buy a ticket to attend or turn on the tube to watch a game? And let me add one more, what is the one single thing that ultimately ends up deciding who is considered the champion baseball team every year? There is only one simple response that completely and accurately answers all those questions..........WINS!

And though baseball is a team sport and games are not solely decided by a single player, isn't it arguable that the starting pitcher on each side in every MLB game ever played has potentially the greatest impact and influence on whether or not their team will win?

So does this at all influence your definition of "value"?

If you�re going with wins, come onboard the Spahn train! It�s not even close.

BobC · #2 11-16-2021, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

If you�re going with wins, come onboard the Spahn train! It�s not even close.

Just trying to point out how different people can have different views, opinions, and definitions of things. Yet all the talk and debate about it still won't get a consensus answer. Also trying to help people to realize there might be different ways to view things, and maybe point to such that they hadn't considered before. They have to be open minded and receptive though. Oftentimes the way people react and respond in situations and debates like this tell you an awful lot about a person, the good, and most definitely the bad. But no names please!

Peter_Spaeth · #3 11-16-2021, 10:07 PM

We need a metric that is independent of fielding, team strength, opposing team strength, stadium, and even result (not just of the game but of the pitch itself, after all you could throw a fabulous pitch and Hank Aaron might still hit it out). We need to focus solely on the pitch itself -- the quality of each pitch a pitcher threw during his career, with some appropriate mechanism to average or to assign relative weights to different ones. Any other metric has too many confounding variables.

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