1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

[jason.1969]

I've learned a lot from this discussion and have one question

Am I correct from the information posted that what PSA has listed as 1947 Bond Bread Exhibits are really just from the 1949 Sports Stars issue?

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Thanks,
Jason

[Vintagedeputy]

At the risk of dredging up the old argument, I recently acquired these three cards in an auction. After reading a few pages of this thread, can I assume that these are in fact from the 1949 Sports Stars set? Is that the general consensus now?

[butchie_t]

More likely than not, yes. Still a nice pick up.

Regards.

B. T.

[Exhibitman]

Acquired over the weekend:



It was hidden inside the magazine bag that held a Ruben Gomez picture. I didn't bother to open the bag before I got home because the Gomez was a cheap item in a mixed lot of stuff. Imagine my surprise when I found Stan the Man underneath it.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Acquired over the weekend:



It was hidden inside the magazine bag that held a Ruben Gomez picture. I didn't bother to open the bag before I got home because the Gomez was a cheap item in a mixed lot of stuff. Imagine my surprise when I found Stan the Man underneath it.

Very nice bonus insert!

Congrats.

[abctoo]

The question about the type of corners the 1948 Bond Bread cards were issued with must consider not only the Bond Bread cards, but other cards issued about the same time with the same pictures. Though its true that the Bond Bread cards issued in Bond Bread packages overall had rounded corners, at least 4 - 6 other sets with its pictures and a variety of corners are available.

Those sets include the Festburg sheets which could be cut into two different sets, one with rounded corners and the other with square corners. Also existing are the sets of Sport Cards issued in cardboard packages with WSNY printed on back and the subsequent cardboard pack issues with WSNY obliterated. We know that these Sport Cards come with both rounded corners and square corners. One or both of the sets could have been issued with rounded corners and square corners.

The grading services provide little guidance and are notorious for misidentifying these type of cards. Many of the corner variations discussed in prior posts come from limited areas of circulation and do not represent the wide variety of corner variations that existed across the broader base in which they were issued.

It's obvious that many corner varieties exists. These corner variations are not dissimilar to the corners of the 1949-50 Comic Traders aka Comic Stars non-sports issues.

Below are two of the less than 5 known "The Monster" cards from Comic Trader's Li'l Abner series. Even with so few known, the corners significantly differ. Also below are some "Ooola" cards from the same series, all with a variety of corner rounding. I hope their reference is helpful. Mike

[Exhibitman]

Not really but they are very colorful.

[pherbener]

Just got several Bond Breads back from SGC plus got my Jackie reholdered. I had a Rizzuto that had corners that seemed off that was returned ungraded. I'll post a picture of it when I find it!

[jessejames]

I haven’t been on net54 for a little while but referenced this thread a ton back in 2019/2022 when reading up on the history of Bond Bread and the many somewhat controversial variations. A few things…

I was the winner of the Elgee sheet from Leland’s back in 2021, and I’ve kept it intact as I bought it (sorry to whoever requested the Cerdan). From catching up on the updates to this thread after 2020, it doesn’t appear that much mystery still exists around this set, but happy to provide pics at some point if members find useful.

I also had a similar experience as a member who posted on this thread more recently in regards to taking a flyer on a raw Jackie with rounded edges listed as a BB on eBay. Once I received it in hand it was obvious that it was a reproduction due to the thinness and texture of the paperstock in comparison to some other raw rounded corner BB commons I had in hand (and which I subsequently submitted to SGC and which received numerical grades).

I also finally finished my rounded corner SGC graded BB set last summer which ended a really fun set build that took me about 5 years to complete (Rex Barney had escaped me for a couple years). Since the recent updates from Mike, which introduced the possibility that back color and rounded corners may not be enough evidence to prove the card in question was actually distributed with bread, who knows if my set is actually all BB or rounded corner SSS. I have a hard time reconciling this, as Ted seems to as well, as I believed the rounded corners were so they did not puncture the bread bag packaging. If we know the SSS versions were distributed via 4 boxes then why would they expend the effort to round the corners? Doesn’t make any sense to me either, but obviously doesn’t prove anything.

I’ll continue to work towards the 13 Jackie miniseries, which will take awhile, but love these cards and personally enjoy the bit of mystery that still surrounds them!

[butchie_t]

I would be just fine knowing if the Festburg cards from my post just above this one even come close to being BB cards (maybe variants of). And if they are period to that time and not the repros that are out there.

I think they are but thinking does not make it true.

Good luck with your quest. A rather awesome one for sure.

Butch

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by pherbener

Just got several Bond Breads back from SGC plus got my Jackie reholdered. I had a Rizzuto that had corners that seemed off that was returned ungraded. I'll post a picture of it when I find it!

WOW!!! This is huge, SGC is grading them again?

Very nice group of cards there.

Butch.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

At the risk of dredging up the old argument, I recently acquired these three cards in an auction. After reading a few pages of this thread, can I assume that these are in fact from the 1949 Sports Stars set? Is that the general consensus now?

Jim

Can you scan the backs of these cards ?

The backs are the key to determining whether these SQUARE cards are from the 1949 Sports Stars 48-card set....or, the 24-cards that were reprinted circa 1980's.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[ullmandds]

these imposter cards are being sold and misrepresented all over facebook these days...as well as elsewhere. the sanella ruth crowd are certainly embracing these as well!

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Jim

Can you scan the backs of these cards ?

The backs are the key to determining whether these SQUARE cards are from the 1949 Sports Stars 48-card set....or, the 24-cards that were reprinted circa 1980's.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted,

Here they are against a piece of white copy paper for background.

[tedzan]

Jim

I'm sorry to say that your cards are from reprinted 24 (circa 1980's) group.

The original 1947 BOND BREAD cards and the 1949 SPORTS set have bright white backs.

Here is the list of the 24 reprinted cards.....

Ewell Blackwell
Lou Boudreau
Harry Brecheen
Primo Carnera
Bobby Doerr
Bob Elliott
Del Ennis
Bob Feller
Joe Gordon
Tommy Holmes
Ken Keltner
Ralph Kiner
Joe Louis
Johnny Mize
Stan Musial
Andy Pafko
Johnny Pesky
Phil Rizzuto
Jackie Robinson
Aaron Robinson
Johnny Sain
Enos Slaughter
Vern Stephens
Ted Williams


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[ullmandds]

Itll be interesting what ebay/csg’s verdict will be on this?

[Illustrious]

I had posted this in the Post War section last week, but I thought posting here might be more appropriate since it was a dedicated thread to the 1947 Bond Bread Jackie.

I bought this card 2 years ago thinking this was the regular base set 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson, but when I sent it to SGC for grading, it was sent back saying "cannot/do not grade", insinuating this card was not from the 1947 set. After it came back, I bought a common card from the actual 1947 set that I knew was legit, and I could tell the difference then in hand, since I could touch and feel them side by side. The Jackie card I have is the exact same size as the authentic 1947 common card, except it's stock is not as thick as the cardboard the authentic common is printed on. The best way I can describe it, is that it's thinner than cardboard, but thicker than a magazine/comic cover, if that makes sense. Is my Jackie card from a later unauthorized reprint set? It's definitely old, which you can see in the pics and in hand. Any ideas on what "imposter" this could be?

[butchie_t]

Hopefully someone will here.

Good luck

Regards,

Butch

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Illustrious

I had posted this in the Post War section last week, but I thought posting here might be more appropriate since it was a dedicated thread to the 1947 Bond Bread Jackie.

I bought this card 2 years ago thinking this was the regular base set 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson, but when I sent it to SGC for grading, it was sent back saying "cannot/do not grade", insinuating this card was not from the 1947 set. After it came back, I bought a common card from the actual 1947 set that I knew was legit, and I could tell the difference then in hand, since I could touch and feel them side by side. The Jackie card I have is the exact same size as the authentic 1947 common card, except it's stock is not as thick as the cardboard the authentic common is printed on. The best way I can describe it, is that it's thinner than cardboard, but thicker than a magazine/comic cover, if that makes sense. Is my Jackie card from a later unauthorized reprint set? It's definitely old, which you can see in the pics and in hand. Any ideas on what "imposter" this could be?

Just curious. Have you read this whole thread?
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