Hey, pennant guys

[bocca001]

Merry xmas to me!

For a design that was so common across high schools, colleges, and pro teams for a time (1940s), there never seems to be very many of these for any individual team and I have been looking for this one for a long time.

[thetahat]

Congrats Marc! Can’t say I’ve ever seen that before.

[Fballguy]

Looks great Marc. Interesting too that the Niners version is the only one that I can recall seeing in which the player graphic overlays the font.

Rob...Thanks for checking out the site. 76.7% are mine....to be exact.

[bocca001]

[QUOTE=Fballguy;2174477]Looks great Marc. Interesting too that the Niners version is the only one that I can recall seeing in which the player graphic overlays the font.

Rob- I think that it is just variation in quality control. I've seen one without the spine/graphic overlay. Overall, this one is in great shape given the age, from spine to tip

[Fballguy]

[QUOTE=bocca001;2174518]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Looks great Marc. Interesting too that the Niners version is the only one that I can recall seeing in which the player graphic overlays the font.

Rob- I think that it is just variation in quality control. I've seen one without the spine/graphic overlay. Overall, this one is in great shape given the age, from spine to tip

Actually...I was referring to the players hand overlaying the "S". This is the only version of the stiff arm pennant I've seen like that and all Niners versions look like this. Do you think that was intentional or a quality control issue? Maybe in the 40s, red felt only came in one size and it was a few inches too small so they scrunched everything up?

[bocca001]

Ah... I thought you mean the spine. Had not noticed the S.

I did spend some time on your website today looking at all of the other 1940s pro teams with these pennants, like the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Yankees and Chicago Rockets. Seems to date these clearly to the 1940s +/- few years.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Ah... I thought you mean the spine. Had not noticed the S.

I did spend some time on your website today looking at all of the other 1940s pro teams with these pennants, like the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Yankees and Chicago Rockets. Seems to date these clearly to the 1940s +/- few years.

Yeah...I typically attribute them from mid 40s to early 50s. A lot of AAFC teams represented (1946-49) and there's a Dallas Texans version, who only existed for one season in 1952.

[bocca001]

What are the teams represented on the baseball sliders? Do they help ID the years (e.g., Mil vs. Boston Braves; Browns vs. Orioles)? I know that the NY Giants have one, but not the SF Giants.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Merry xmas to me!

For a design that was so common across high schools, colleges, and pro teams for a time (1940s), there never seems to be very many of these for any individual team and I have been looking for this one for a long time.

Glad you found one, Marc! It’s always satisfying to check one off.

I think your pennant may have answered the “squared spine” question for me. I’m thinking the spine felt was probably cut after it was sewn on. On your pennant, the cutter angled the top and squared the bottom, but avoided cutting into the pennant. Sometimes, they may have squared the spine, while cutting through the body as well…..then, they went to lunch.

[ooo-ribay]

76.7% = a lot of damn football pennants!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

76.7% = a lot of damn football pennants!

There's 1,028 pennants on the site and I have about 250 more I need to put on there. Just need to make the time.

[thetahat]

The first pennant is from the same maker as those pictured in post 5962. NYC area company, mid1950-60s pennants, cloth. Unique spine material.

Second pennant is almost certainly from the “sliding runner” company, based on composition, size, stitching. These were 1940s-early 1950s.

Could this be the same company? The only link is the bum design and of course that could have just been pirated. But perhaps this simplifies our uncertainty.

[ooo-ribay]

Does this stuff keep you up at night, Greg?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Does this stuff keep you up at night, Greg?

No.

[bocca001]

Glad you bought that, Rob! I almost almost almost did. Goes better with your collection.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Glad you bought that, Rob! I almost almost almost did. Goes better with your collection.

Well, it is different than my other two and I have room in the garage. It won’t be the first banner out there. In fact, it will be the sixth.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

No.

I hope you know I was just giving you a hard time. I can't tell you guys how much I value the knowledge and insight you've all shared. Usually, I can't even keep track....but I do have all of Kyle's blog printed out and housed in a three ring binder. For me, collecting memorabilia is all about discovering the history and origins of the objects. There was a recent thread about insuring a card collection....I was going to chime in that I don't even bother with insurance because if my collection ever burned up or whatever, I would just have a good cry and probably not start over. I'm convinced I have memorabilia items that I could never find again. Getting a cash payout might ease the pain but it would never replace my "stuff." Now, with cards, there is no mystery as to age or origin and with enough money you can always (always!) replace them. I refrained from sharing this opinion because I didn't want to piss off the card guys.

We really, really need to do a book. It would have to be on a par with Muchinsky's pinback book and he set a very high bar. When we do this book , we are all going to have to send all our pennants to the same person, so that the pennants can be photographed in exactly the same setting. There's my suggestion for a start...

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I hope you know I was just giving you a hard time. I can't tell you guys how much I value the knowledge and insight you've all shared. Usually, I can't even keep track....but I do have all of Kyle's blog printed out and housed in a three ring binder. For me, collecting memorabilia is all about discovering the history and origins of the objects. There was a recent thread about insuring a card collection....I was going to chime in that I don't even bother with insurance because if my collection ever burned up or whatever, I would just have a good cry and probably not start over. I'm convinced I have memorabilia items that I could never find again. Getting a cash payout might ease the pain but it would never replace my "stuff." Now, with cards, there is no mystery as to age or origin and with enough money you can always (always!) replace them. I refrained from sharing this opinion because I didn't want to piss off the card guys.

We really, really need to do a book. It would have to be on a par with Muchinsky's pinback book and he set a very high bar. When we do this book , we are all going to have to send all our pennants to the same person, so that the pennants can be photographed in exactly the same setting. There's my suggestion for a start...

Merry Christmas everyone!

I agree that a book would be great.

When I started cataloguing all the pennants in this thread, my intention was to start organizing the pennants for numerous purposes like that. My thinking is that the first thing that' s needed is a way to uniquely identify each pennant.

(I'm guessing that I'm not the only one who uses the reference numbers from Muchinsky's book in their pin collection inventory. )

So far I have 1,360 pennant catalogued. Most have the graphics theme assigned and 41% have the manufacturer identified.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I hope you know I was just giving you a hard time. I can't tell you guys how much I value the knowledge and insight you've all shared. Usually, I can't even keep track....but I do have all of Kyle's blog printed out and housed in a three ring binder. For me, collecting memorabilia is all about discovering the history and origins of the objects. There was a recent thread about insuring a card collection....I was going to chime in that I don't even bother with insurance because if my collection ever burned up or whatever, I would just have a good cry and probably not start over. I'm convinced I have memorabilia items that I could never find again. Getting a cash payout might ease the pain but it would never replace my "stuff." Now, with cards, there is no mystery as to age or origin and with enough money you can always (always!) replace them. I refrained from sharing this opinion because I didn't want to piss off the card guys.

We really, really need to do a book. It would have to be on a par with Muchinsky's pinback book and he set a very high bar. When we do this book , we are all going to have to send all our pennants to the same person, so that the pennants can be photographed in exactly the same setting. There's my suggestion for a start...

Of course! And actually I do lose a little sleep.

And yes I’d be all in on a book … however I can help.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

The first pennant is from the same maker as those pictured in post 5962. NYC area company, mid1950-60s pennants, cloth. Unique spine material.

Second pennant is almost certainly from the “sliding runner” company, based on composition, size, stitching. These were 1940s-early 1950s.

Could this be the same company? The only link is the bum design and of course that could have just been pirated. But perhaps this simplifies our uncertainty.

I have one of these in which the Bum has fewer/coarser whiskers. The maker actually had an alternate/backup silkscreen of the Bum.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I have one of these in which the Bum has fewer/coarser whiskers. The maker actually had an alternate/backup silkscreen of the Bum.

Awesome! Certainly the best looking bum. The Ad Flag bum with his huge claw hand belongs on the national predator registry.