That SCP T206 Wagner

Gary Dunaier · #1 12-18-2021, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by scmavl

I'm waiting for Topps to buy it and cut it into 25 pieces, inserting it into relic cards. Then 25 more people could say "I own (part of) a T206 Wagner!"

I was going to toss this idea into the ring myself... except that I would have presented it as a legitimate suggestion.

After all, it's now becoming a "thing" where you have people buying "shares" of collectibles... for example, the British Guiana One Cent Magenta postage stamp, the most valuable item in the world in terms of weight. And I'm not saying this to be snarky, because I myself own one share...

Told ya!

Anyway, the thing is that even though I own a share of the stamp, I don't have physical ownership, whereas if this specific Wagner was used to make relic cards, everyone who had one would have actual physical ownership of their piece.

I'm not saying I endorse the idea, I was just going to throw it out as a suggestion... but I see that it wouldn't go over too well in this forum, so I'm just going to shut up and sit down.

mrreality68 · #2 01-19-2022, 05:17 PM

It is time to see what the bids bring.

It opened for bidding earlier today and it is at $270k before buyers premium

What do we think the over/under is now

Exhibitman · #3 01-19-2022, 07:13 PM

I looked at it on the web site. No. I'd take it if someone offered it to me for a hundred bucks, but it is just too far gone to have any real appeal for me.

pherbener · #4 01-20-2022, 10:27 AM

Already over $300K!!

https://catalog.scpauctions.com/1909...-LOT50061.aspx

Ray Van · #5 01-28-2022, 12:34 PM

Granted there are many folks on this board with more knowledge than me, and some have seen this card in person, but a couple things with the slab raise red flags for me. Again, recognizing that PSA grading was in its infancy this could have happened, but ...
1) The card is identified as "Genuine" rather than "Authentic". I don't know of any other PSA slabs with the "Genuine" qualifier.
2) The Zeros on the PSA serial number have slashes through them. In contrast, the first card that PSA graded does not have these slashes. I find it hard to believe that PSA would change their "number fonts" from card #1 to card #2, and I don't believe any other PSA serial numbers have these slashes through the zeroes.

I can reconcile the first part as being down to a new company deciding on grading language, but it's a bit of a leap for me to believe the second part.

ncinin · #6 01-28-2022, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Van

Granted there are many folks on this board with more knowledge than me, and some have seen this card in person, but a couple things with the slab raise red flags for me. Again, recognizing that PSA grading was in its infancy this could have happened, but ...
1) The card is identified as "Genuine" rather than "Authentic". I don't know of any other PSA slabs with the "Genuine" qualifier.
2) The Zeros on the PSA serial number have slashes through them. In contrast, the first card that PSA graded does not have these slashes. I find it hard to believe that PSA would change their "number fonts" from card #1 to card #2, and I don't believe any other PSA serial numbers have these slashes through the zeroes.

I can reconcile the first part as being down to a new company deciding on grading language, but it's a bit of a leap for me to believe the second part.

Even though the SCP Wagner has serial number of 2 it was graded some years after the T206 PSA 8 with serial number of 1.

Most scans of the PSA 8 Wagner was after it was reslabbed at some point. There is a scan of the original slab with the same slashes in the zeroes in this link.....https://www.sportscardradio.com/aler...by-psa-or-bgs/

Most likely the reason it is in a genuine holder instead of authentic holder is that PSA would not slab it today and will not reholder it.

Ray Van · #7 01-28-2022, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ncinin

Even though the SCP Wagner has serial number of 2 it was graded some years after the T206 PSA 8 with serial number of 1.

Most scans of the PSA 8 Wagner was after it was reslabbed at some point. There is a scan of the original slab with the same slashes in the zeroes in this link.....https://www.sportscardradio.com/aler...by-psa-or-bgs/

Most likely the reason it is in a genuine holder instead of authentic holder is that PSA would not slab it today and will not reholder it.

Interesting - thanks for sharing the insight!

BobC · #8 01-28-2022, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncinin

Even though the SCP Wagner has serial number of 2 it was graded some years after the T206 PSA 8 with serial number of 1.

Most scans of the PSA 8 Wagner was after it was reslabbed at some point. There is a scan of the original slab with the same slashes in the zeroes in this link.....https://www.sportscardradio.com/aler...by-psa-or-bgs/

Most likely the reason it is in a genuine holder instead of authentic holder is that PSA would not slab it today and will not reholder it.

Soooooooo, has anyone ever asked PSA what THEIR meanings and differences are between the grades of "Authentic" and "Genuine"? I would think this should be a legitimate question to ask of them, and for which they should easily be able to answer. Unless there's no one still working there from when this card was originally graded to remember why it was slabbed as "Geniune". I'd love to hear their official answer, rather than just speculating.

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