Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens don’t have the integrity, sportsmanship or

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Where the hell is all the outrage against David Ortiz in this thread from all you PED haters? Maybe having a very good year at 38, a even better year at 39, and an amazing year at 40 is normal for PED free players.

The picking and choosing of what cheaters should be punished is the worst part for me.

I get it, I really do. I give Clemens a free pas but fricken hate 2 HOFers that IMO done a LOT of PEDs that got free passes.

One thing is for sure correct or wrong we are passionate about our opinions.

Has he been exposed as a user of PEDs then noted and added. I don't pick and choose frankly. I paint with a broad PED brush. Did not know he was in the mix too. So thanks. I am a no for him as well if he has been identified.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Has he been exposed as a user of PEDs then noted and added. I don't pick and choose frankly. I paint with a broad PED brush. Did not know he was in the mix too. So thanks. I am a no for him as well if he has been identified.

Ortiz was named in the Mitchell Report.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Ortiz was named in the Mitchell Report.

Thank you, there were a bunch in that report.

Regards,

B. T.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Ortiz was named in the Mitchell Report.

Source? It was a 2009 anonymous nyt article which linked him

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Source? It was a 2009 anonymous nyt article which linked him

Has any of the leaked players names proven to be false? Asking because I truly don't know.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Has any of the leaked players names proven to be false? Asking because I truly don't know.

I dont see his name in the report whatsoever

"The argument can be made that this was the case with Mitchell as well, despite his claims. He was a director for the Boston Red Sox at the time of his investigation, and no high profile Red Sox players were listed in the report. David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez, two star sluggers on the team, were later accused of using PEDs by a New York Times article in 2009"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Ortiz was named in the Mitchell Report.

But he's likeable as hell whereas Bonds and Clemens and ARod are not.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Has he been exposed as a user of PEDs then noted and added. I don't pick and choose frankly. I paint with a broad PED brush. Did not know he was in the mix too. So thanks. I am a no for him as well if he has been identified.

The "evidence" against him was an anonymous supposed positive test during the experimental testing period in 2003.
One that MLB wouldn't discuss with anyone in any meaningful way, including Ortiz who was exposed in a "report" that came out years afterward.

MLB wouldn't tell him which test was failed - not the date, place, nothing.
MLB wouldn't say what it was supposedly positive for.

The experimental testing program had lots of procedural issues with stuff like proper sample handling by the testers, and by the lab. Samples possibly not being identified by a tightly controlled code, but just the name written clearly. Chain of custody issues, like don't take a box full of pee samples home with you because it's been a long day and the office is "too far away"

To me that's a very sketcky claim that isn't much of anything.