Leland's Idea of a Complete T206 Set

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Yoda

AH's must be so careful with their descriptions these days so as not to present their consignors' lots in any way inaccurate. Otherwise, they open themselves up to charges of misrepresentation, which is fraud.
Lelands has been around for a long time and they should no better. Their lack of response to your great outing coupled with your outstanding knowledge of the T206 set may make things very uncomfortable for them. I hope so. Of course, Doyle Nat'l should be the 523rd card.

Ted, do you remember when Alan Rosen sold Keith Olberman a Dole that had been badly altered but graded by a forerunner SGC. There was such a stink. You can imagine Keith and Alan going at each other. I never found out how it was all settled.

Hi John

That occurred 30+ years ago, so let me see what I can recall: After some serious debate, Rosen took back the fake Doyle card. Olberman eventually acquired an authentic one.

About that same time 30+ years ago, Joe Pelaez also purchased a fake Doyle card. He was livid when he was made aware of this. And this resulted in tracking down the culprit,
who was quite professionally adding the "Nat'L" lettering on the captions of regular Joe Doyle cards.
However, as good as he was with his "artwork", he made a subtle minor mistake by raising the ' above the top line of the lettering of Nat'L.....which exposed it being a FAKE.

Joe eventually acquired an authentic Doyle from Lipset.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_5.html

More background on the Rosen/Olbermann Doyle. It looks like it was in or around 2000.

[tedzan]

I was at that Show in the Philadelphia Convention Center. It was in the early 1990's. I remember well when Rosen acquired that fake Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L card that weekend.
And, knowing Alan for many years, I know he would not have held onto to it for any length of time.



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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I was at that Show in the Philadelphia Convention Center. It was in the early 1990's. I remember well when Rosen acquired that fake Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L card that weekend.
And, knowing Alan for many years, I know he would not have held onto to it for any length of time.



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I don't believe SGC existed in the early 1990s, Ted. And the article which is dated 2000 mentions a 1999 auction being where Keith acquired it.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't believe SGC existed in the early 1990s, Ted. And the article which is dated 2000 mentions a 1999 auction being where Keith acquired it.

Hi Peter

I have my timeline wrong, that Doyle transaction between Alan and Keith occurred in the late 1990's. I got mixed up with the Joe Pelaez fake Doyle that did occur in the early 1990's.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Ted was it the same doctor on both cards, if you know?

[tedzan]

No, Peter.....I never got to see this particular Doyle fake card (Alan/Keith).

I did get to see 2 of the early 1990's fake Doyle cards. Unless you had an authentic one to make an A - B comparison,
you could be easily deceived into thinking they were authentic. The "doctoring" was that good.


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