OT: 3.5 Million Dollar Scam - Pokemon Cards Certified by BBCE

Peter_Spaeth · #1 01-17-2022, 04:14 PM

Ironic that this forum seems to have more contempt for an honorable guy like Steve Hart who admittedly fucked up than the countless criminals trimming and otherwise altering cards, knowingly selling altered cards, knowingly GRADING altered cards, shilling auctions, knowingly selling fake memorabilia, and so forth.

japhi · #2 01-17-2022, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ironic that this forum seems to have more contempt for an honorable guy like Steve Hart who admittedly fucked up than the countless criminals trimming cards, knowingly selling altered cards, knowingly GRADING altered cards, shilling auctions, knowingly selling fake memorabilia, and so forth.

I posted similar on the CU boards, that in a hobby full of crooks this will have no impact on BBCE. We tolerate criminals and cheats to get the best stuff, why would anyone hold a hobby good guy that made a mistake to a higher standard?

All that said, for me this make me wonder how much bad product is under BBCE wrap. Maybe we have put too much faith in their ability to authenticate product that will never be opened. I mean how hard would it really be to rewrap a pack, box or case. Clearly not that hard.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 01-17-2022, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by japhi

I posted similar on the CU boards, that in a hobby full of crooks this will have no impact on BBCE. We tolerate criminals and cheats to get the best stuff, why would anyone hold a hobby good guy that made a mistake to a higher standard?

All that said, for me this make me wonder how much bad product is under BBCE wrap. Maybe we have put too much faith in their ability to authenticate product that will never be opened. I mean how hard would it really be to rewrap a pack, box or case. Clearly not that hard.

Not to excuse it, but I think it's not unusual for people in many professions eventually to get a bit of Dunning-Kruger syndrome and as a result of overconfidence, maybe cut corners or not be as diligent as they should be, or even get out over their skis in terms of taking on tasks they probably aren't qualified for.

Eric72 · #4 01-17-2022, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ironic that this forum seems to have more contempt for an honorable guy like Steve Hart who admittedly fucked up than the countless criminals trimming cards, knowingly selling altered cards, knowingly GRADING altered cards, shilling auctions, knowingly selling fake memorabilia, and so forth.

For some people, stuff (that they collect) trumps everything.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 01-17-2022, 04:31 PM

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For some people, stuff (that they collect) trumps everything.

Or the price umbrella that the fraud creates makes money for them.

Eric72 · #6 01-17-2022, 04:33 PM

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Or the price umbrella that the fraud creates makes money for them.

Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...

Eric72 · #7 01-17-2022, 04:35 PM

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Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...

To clarify:

Some people in this hobby don't collect cards, they only collect money/cash/profits.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 01-17-2022, 04:37 PM

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Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...

Not accusing anyone here specifically, but my belief is there has been a huge conspiracy of silence in the hobby about fraudsters for exactly this reason. Insiders have known for years who's doing what to cards.

Johnny630 · #9 01-17-2022, 04:40 PM

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Not accusing anyone here specifically, but my belief is there has been a huge conspiracy of silence in the hobby about fraudsters for exactly this reason. Insiders have known for years who's doing what to cards.

100% true because they have benefited from it or plan to benefit from it too. I have to admit collectors can be just as bad they want to believe their beloved cards are 100% legit and only go up in value so the keep hush.

It�s the don�t bite the hand that feeds you mentality. Even if the hand that�s feeding you is dishonest.

Eric72 · #10 01-17-2022, 04:43 PM

By the way, every thread needs a card:

Lorewalker · #11 01-21-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ironic that this forum seems to have more contempt for an honorable guy like Steve Hart who admittedly fucked up than the countless criminals trimming and otherwise altering cards, knowingly selling altered cards, knowingly GRADING altered cards, shilling auctions, knowingly selling fake memorabilia, and so forth.

Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.

Gorditadogg · #12 01-21-2022, 02:26 PM

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Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.

I'm sorry, who is looking the other way exactly? Are you talking about certain dealers, or auction houses or what?

Exhibitman · #13 01-21-2022, 03:58 PM

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I'm sorry, who is looking the other way exactly? Are you talking about certain dealers, or auction houses or what?

Law enforcement?

Any collector who has held his nose and dealt with the likes of PWCC?

Gorditadogg · #14 01-21-2022, 07:01 PM

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Law enforcement?

Any collector who has held his nose and dealt with the likes of PWCC?

I'd say you are 0 for 2 there but let's see what Mr. Walker has to say.

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toppcat · #15 01-26-2022, 05:16 PM

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I'd say you are 0 for 2 there but let's see what Mr. Walker has to say.

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He's actually 2 for 2

Johnny630 · #16 01-21-2022, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.

This is Spot On !!!! On This board a lot of guys care about the trimming and shilling. In the modern market most could give a darn less. Manny on Facebook and ebay buying have no idea about PWCC or the info on blowout.

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