Local John Stockton Mask Controversy

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Ok, but you are using certain articles as a hammer for your argument showing these doctors/nurses who refuse to get the vaccine. What percentage of the entire doctor/nurse population do you think that represents?

I agree that the "truth" is slowly trickling out. Unlike you, I assume, I feel that that truth is because we have been dealing with the unknown and are trying to use past experience to guide us in the best possible manner (ex: masks), and we are adjusting as we go. You appear to be saying that the truth is this is some vast conspiracy meant to make us sheep, or however you want to put it.

How do you know the "truth" isn't that vaccines aren't the best possible roadblock we have against this runaway virus, even if it's obviously imperfect?
OR, do you feel we'd have more or less deaths actually tied to covid (following whatever data put out by whatever media/gov't agency you choose to follow) if there were no vaccine at all?

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I'm not sure how to interpret your emoji. Are you saying climate change and covid aren't real?

We live in a corrupt and crooked world and the WEF, as I have shown, and Liberal leaders around the world are all on board with this globalization plan. Watch the 2 vids I posted of Trudeau and Trump no matter how hard that is for you and others to watch and you will see this "agenda" is nothing new. It is, in my opinion why the Dems and their funded media went after Trump so hard. Even up here he was being attacked daily by our Liberal funded news, and he still is, just not as often now. He was a threat and was getting in the way of their plans. What I am believing is covid, the vaccines and climate change are simply tools for them to obtain funds for their new world order plans. I know, it's a tough one to swallow, a tough one to believe and I am also not 100% entirely sure myself, TBH, because we know so little so far, but things are beginning to add up. Notice the "bold" below. Where have you seen, heard this before that therapeutics, ivermectin, Hydorxy, Z packs and all other forms of medication, with ivermectin being referred to as horse medicine, simply don't work? Vaccines, vaccines and more vaccines! Was there/has there been any talk during this pandemic about proper diet, exercise, taking vitamin D, vitamin C or anything else health related during this pandemic? If there was, I certainly haven't seen any of it up here as we've been told to stay home, isolate and wear a mask at all times if you need to go out for emergencies.
Fauci himself said Trump would experience a pandemic during his tenure. Coincidence, maybe, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.
Watch this then tell me they weren't planning this pandemic for a while.

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Panel discussion including Dr. Fauci on how to get the world to trust the new (mRNA) vaccine technology. As I stated before this becomes extremely difficult in a normal process. Fauci admits it would take at least a decade and someone on the panel mentions "if something were to get out." This is in 2019. Not sure if its before or after Event 201 where they play out the exact scenario. They discuss much more than just the flu virus.

6:30 ish mark.

8:15 ish mark. "Why don't we blow the system up. (typical vaccine production)

18:30 ish mark. "Does something really bad have to happen?"

22:15 mark. Fauci explaining how long it takes to prove a mRNA vaccine is safe. "That alone if it works perfectly is going to take a decade." I remind you this was in 2019.

42:37 mark. If the 2009 pandemic had been much more deadly would that have been a better thing for humanity? In other words so we could have pushed this new type of easy to mfg vaccine on the world.

46:40

Now in Event 201 in 2019 world and medical establishment leaders play out this scenario and include how to downplay therapeutics to get universal use of the vaccine.

The point of posting this isn't to say it was released intentionally but reasoning behind why the mRNA vaccine was pushed so hard.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845...al-flu-vaccine

[earlywynnfan]

Irv: let's keep it simple:

Do you feel we would have a higher or lower covid death toll if there were no vaccines?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Notice how Prince Charles, President Biden, and Dr. Fauci are roughly the same age or at least clearly in the same generation. It is a little known fact, and I will post YouTube links as soon as I find them, that in their 40s they were in the same secret elite society and actually formulated plans to take over the world and to subjugate the masses through .. wait for it … a vaccine. They got funding from certain Jewish banking families, George Soros, and Pfizer, and commenced work. Fauci worked decades at NIH just biding his time and making contacts with Chinese scientists and secretly promoting mRNA technology because it works really well to subjugate people and make money. It took them longer than they expected for it all to play out, a couple of elections didn't go as they had hoped even though they tried their best to steal them, etc., but it's now happening before our very eyes.

And beware Prince Charles and the Great Reset. I bet most of you don't realize what a key player in the new world order he is. And you thought he was just some benevolent royal whose mom lived forever denying him his day on the throne. The perfect cover for all the work he secretly has been doing for the green, woke elites who are taking everything over.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Notice how Prince Charles, President Biden, and Dr. Fauci are roughly the same age or at least clearly in the same generation. It is a little known fact, and I will post YouTube links as soon as I find them, that in their 40s they were in the same secret elite society and actually formulated plans to take over the world and to subjugate the masses through .. wait for it … a vaccine. They got funding from certain Jewish banking families, George Soros, and Pfizer, and commenced work. Fauci worked decades at NIH just biding his time and making contacts with Chinese scientists and secretly promoting mRNA technology because it works really well to subjugate people and make money. It took them longer than they expected for it all to play out, a couple of elections didn't go as they had hoped, etc., but it's now happening before our very eyes.

Is this sarcasm?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Is this sarcasm?

Do you really have to ask?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you really have to ask?

I am hoping it is, Peter. The thing is that some of Irv's posts read like sarcasm too...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I am hoping it is, Peter. The thing is that some of Irv's posts read like sarcasm too...

No, they just read like drivel lol.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Irv: let's keep it simple:

Do you feel we would have a higher or lower covid death toll if there were no vaccines?

Since the case numbers and deaths are all higher now than they were pre-vaccines, I'd hazard a guess and say we'd have a lower death count.

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Do you realize that this statement is completely false? Or, let me guess, you'd prefer to call it an "alternative fact"?

How so? Our Liberal gov't up here funds the CBC, The Toronto Star and likely many others, and that is a well known fact.
If yours stateside are not funded directly from your gov't, then those that do the funding definitely have links to a certain political party.
Do you believe the likes of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and many others are not left leaning propaganda sites? Do you believe they are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle29354285/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...udeau-liberals

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Since the case numbers and deaths are all higher now than they were pre-vaccines, I'd hazard a guess and say we'd have a lower death count.



How so? Our Liberal gov't up here funds the CDC, The Toronto Star and likely many others, and that is a well known fact.
If yours stateside are not funded directly from your gov't, then those that do the funding definitely have links to a certain political party.
Do you believe the likes of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and many others are not left leaning propaganda sites? Do you believe they are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle29354285/
https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...udeau-liberals

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

Do right-leaning media sites like Fox, OAN, etc always tell the truth and the whole story without being biased and non-partisan?

What media sites do you go to for unbiased, non-partisan information?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

Do right-leaning media sites like Fox, OAN, etc always tell the truth and the whole story without being biased and non-partisan?

What media sites do you go to for unbiased, non-partisan information?

Since Trump was the leading force behind Operation Warp Speed, he must have been in on it too, no? Damn RINO.

[irv]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

Do right-leaning media sites like Fox, OAN, etc always tell the truth and the whole story without being biased and non-partisan?

What media sites do you go to for unbiased, non-partisan information?

I have no idea?

No, of course not, but some are worse than others. It's of my opinion that CNN is by far the worst, with MSNBC being a close second.
Fox news is also biased, I get that, but in my opinion CNN is so far out in left field they are beyond the bleachers whereas Fox, imo, are at least still in the ball park.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Our gov't has been liberal for about a year now, before that it was conservative. Was the CDC in on the plot when the CDC was conservative?

I think it's fairly well known that some of our US agencies are more liberal while others tend more conservative. And overall, averaged out, they equate to moderate. Obviously the top heads that may be more one way or the other are easily replaceable, but career bureaucrats are passionate about doing what's best.

While I don't believe in a deep state, Trump was on to something that some career bureaucrats know how to slow down new directions if they disagree with their new acting director.

Also, while I don't buy into conspiracies, don't forget that big oil also owns most green tech. And it takes an exorbitant amount of carbon and fossil fuels to make green technology. Its just propaganda to argue politicians are creating jobs.


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[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

Since the case numbers and deaths are all higher now than they were pre-vaccines, I'd hazard a guess and say we'd have a lower death count.

It is possible that case numbers and deaths would be even HIGHER if we didn't have vaccines?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

It is possible that case numbers and deaths would be even HIGHER if we didn't have vaccines?

Too bad this nationwide data is all FAKE or it might support your point. You see, "THEY" want you to believe it because it furthers "their" plans for world control. Of course, you can look at the underlying data too, it's transparent, but I am telling you the underlying data is also FAKE, every hospital that collected it is part of the conspiracy, every scientist that analyzed it is part of the conspiracy, and naturally the government is the leader of the conspiracy, so I urge you to disregard it. But just in case you're curious/brainwashed/coopted/suffering from a mass psychosis:

During October–November, unvaccinated persons had 13.9 and 53.2 times the risks for infection and COVID-19–associated death, respectively, compared with fully vaccinated persons who received booster doses, and 4.0 and 12.7 times the risks compared with fully vaccinated persons without booster doses.

An unvaccinated person was more than 50 times as likely to die from COVID as a fully boosted person during that time period.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by irv

How so? Our Liberal gov't up here funds the CDC, The Toronto Star and likely many others, and that is a well known fact.
If yours stateside are not funded directly from your gov't, then those that do the funding definitely have links to a certain political party.

Do you believe the likes of CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times and many others are not left leaning propaganda sites? Do you believe they are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?

I appreciate the reply. "Links to a certain political party" is rather vague, but a quick search reveals that current Comcast (owner of MSNBC) CEO Brian Roberts has donated five-figure sums to both Republican and Democratic politicians over the fifteen years or so. (Although more to the latter than the former.)

The outlets that you mentioned are more left-leaning than FOX, for example, but I do not believe it is accurate to describe them as "left-leaning propaganda sites." You might find it interesting to compare them to more left-leaning news outlets such as Democracy Now! ( https://www.democracynow.org/ ) , Mother Jones ( https://www.motherjones.com/ ) or The Nation ( https://www.thenation.com/ ).

You asked, "Do you believe that [news outlets] are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?"

No, they are absolutely biased and rarely, if ever, tell the whole story. I believe this is true about every single one of these sources, including the three I linked.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I appreciate the reply. "Links to a certain political party" is rather vague, but a quick search reveals that current Comcast (owner of MSNBC) CEO Brian Roberts has donated five-figure sums to both Republican and Democratic politicians over the fifteen years or so. (Although more to the latter than the former.)

The outlets that you mentioned are more left-leaning than FOX, for example, but I do not believe it is accurate to describe them as "left-leaning propaganda sites." You might find it interesting to compare them to more left-leaning news outlets such as Democracy Now! ( https://www.democracynow.org/ ) , Mother Jones ( https://www.motherjones.com/ ) or The Nation ( https://www.thenation.com/ ).

You asked, "Do you believe that [news outlets] are unbiased, non-bipartisan and always tell the truth and the whole story?"

No, they are absolutely biased and rarely, if ever, tell the whole story. I believe this is true about every single one of these sources, including the three I linked.

I find MSNBC more left biased than CNN. Not that CNN, or anyone except the Wall Street Journal LOL, doesn't lean some way nowadays.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Notice how Prince Charles, President Biden, and Dr. Fauci are roughly the same age or at least clearly in the same generation. It is a little known fact, and I will post YouTube links as soon as I find them, that in their 40s they were in the same secret elite society and actually formulated plans to take over the world and to subjugate the masses through .. wait for it … a vaccine. They got funding from certain Jewish banking families, George Soros, and Pfizer, and commenced work. Fauci worked decades at NIH just biding his time and making contacts with Chinese scientists and secretly promoting mRNA technology because it works really well to subjugate people and make money. It took them longer than they expected for it all to play out, a couple of elections didn't go as they had hoped even though they tried their best to steal them, etc., but it's now happening before our very eyes.

And beware Prince Charles and the Great Reset. I bet most of you don't realize what a key player in the new world order he is. And you thought he was just some benevolent royal whose mom lived forever denying him his day on the throne. The perfect cover for all the work he secretly has been doing for the green, woke elites who are taking everything over.

I'd advise investing in Dennis Rodman cards. A day is coming when they will be the only legal ones anyway. In the near future he will be elected president running for his own party whose symbol will be crossed hammers.

He will ally us with his friends in N.Korea, and make them an international nuclear world power and since their ruler is partly divine, all opposition will be crushed! Leading to a beneficial totalitarian regime*

This was all foretold in Pink floyds album "the wall"

The biggest key line is "waiting to follow the worm"

*Beneficial to who isn't deciphered yet....