Local John Stockton Mask Controversy

irv · #1 01-26-2022, 04:50 PM

"1818 cases of FULLY vaccinated in the hospital compared to 752 in the unvaccinated"
"232 cases of FULLY vaccinated in the ICU compared to 206 in the unvaccinated"
"3805 cases today of FULLY vaccinated compared to 801 in the unvaccinated"

I wonder what all of the fully vaccinated, who spent time in the hospital, (since there are never any interviews with these fully vaccinated individuals), think of the vaccines now?
Were they willing to play Russian Roulette and take their chances or were they just like Geraldo Rivera who thought once vaccinated, they would be immune/protected like all the previous vaccines did?

"GERALDO RIVERA: I have. I have. I'm in my basement cave by Greg where I've been basically living. You know, I am -- I am vaccinated to Moderna shots, then boosted with the Pfizer booster. You know, I thought for sure that I was immune. I've been very hard on the unvaccinated as Dana suggests.

I eat some humble pie in that regard because I went to Key West, Florida with my family on vacation and guess what. I came back with a scratchy throat. I insisted I didn't need a test because I was vaccinated and boosted. Then, Erica my wife insisted. So, a couple of days by the time we finally got the appointment I take the test. Erica's negative and I am positive.

It was shocking to me. It was in some ways embarrassing. I didn't quite know how to respond to it. So I did what I usually do. I went on twitter, but yes. You know, it's very frustrating. I think that to spare the president undue criticism, I think that what he should really be criticized for is the ruthless treatment of Donald Trump by Joe Biden regarding testing. You know, Trump had problems with testing but nothing of the colossal order of this magnitude.

https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/150236

Carter08 · #2 01-26-2022, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

"1818 cases of FULLY vaccinated in the hospital compared to 752 in the unvaccinated"
"232 cases of FULLY vaccinated in the ICU compared to 206 in the unvaccinated"
"3805 cases today of FULLY vaccinated compared to 801 in the unvaccinated"

I wonder what all of the fully vaccinated, who spent time in the hospital, (since there are never any interviews with these fully vaccinated individuals), think of the vaccines now?
Were they willing to play Russian Roulette and take their chances or were they just like Geraldo Rivera who thought once vaccinated, they would be immune/protected like all the previous vaccines did?

"GERALDO RIVERA: I have. I have. I'm in my basement cave by Greg where I've been basically living. You know, I am -- I am vaccinated to Moderna shots, then boosted with the Pfizer booster. You know, I thought for sure that I was immune. I've been very hard on the unvaccinated as Dana suggests.

I eat some humble pie in that regard because I went to Key West, Florida with my family on vacation and guess what. I came back with a scratchy throat. I insisted I didn't need a test because I was vaccinated and boosted. Then, Erica my wife insisted. So, a couple of days by the time we finally got the appointment I take the test. Erica's negative and I am positive.

It was shocking to me. It was in some ways embarrassing. I didn't quite know how to respond to it. So I did what I usually do. I went on twitter, but yes. You know, it's very frustrating. I think that to spare the president undue criticism, I think that what he should really be criticized for is the ruthless treatment of Donald Trump by Joe Biden regarding testing. You know, Trump had problems with testing but nothing of the colossal order of this magnitude.

https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/150236

You�ve spent enough time on this that i assume you know those numbers don�t support your argument. In a hypothetical population of 1000 if 900 are vaccinated and 100 are unvaccinated and then 26 vaccinated people and 25 unvaccinated people wind up on the ICU, please get vaccinated.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 01-26-2022, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

You’ve spent enough time on this that i assume you know those numbers don’t support your argument. In a hypothetical population of 1000 if 900 are vaccinated and 100 are unvaccinated and then 26 vaccinated people and 25 unvaccinated people wind up on the ICU, please get vaccinated.

This has been explained to him repeatedly and he just keeps responding with the same highly misleading raw numbers. I think he truly doesn't understand it.

Carter08 · #4 01-26-2022, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This has been explained to him repeatedly and he just keeps responding with the same highly misleading raw numbers. I think he truly doesn't understand it.

I will say that I have at least learned a bit from this thread. A takeaway from you is that it may have been a bad idea or just simply wrong to call it a vaccine in the first place.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 01-26-2022, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

I will say that I have at least learned a bit from this thread. A takeaway from you is that it may have been a bad idea or just simply wrong to call it a vaccine in the first place.

I believe someone else made that point and I just followed up on it.

irv · #6 01-26-2022, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

You�ve spent enough time on this that i assume you know those numbers don�t support your argument. In a hypothetical population of 1000 if 900 are vaccinated and 100 are unvaccinated and then 26 vaccinated people and 25 unvaccinated people wind up on the ICU, please get vaccinated.

And you missed the point in my post.
If the vaccines worked, or if they actually had a 95% efficacy rating like we were told they did in the beginning, we likely wouldn't be having this convo.
But since the vast majority know, or ought to know by now, that was a lie, anyone who still thinks or believes that these vaccines work is deluded and those that still take them, imo, are playing Russian Roulette like I stated.

The simple fact here, without even talking about the thousands and thousands of breakthrough cases, is these vaccines are crap just like Pfizer's CEO stated himself.

If people are into playing Russian Roulette, that is their choice, but knowing how many lies have been told to date, among other things, I know my chances of contracting covid and getting severely sick are greatly increased with the vaccines, especially the boosters, than what my own natural immunity is capable of handling.
The recovery rate from covid is 99%+. It boggles my mind why so many are still lining up for this vaccine, and especially the booster, after all we've seen to date about them.
People are afraid because they've been told to be afraid. It's been one of the greatest experiments in civil obedience and brainwashing that I've ever seen.

dgo71 · #7 01-26-2022, 08:47 PM

I lived in the DC area where they ran TV ads regularly to advocate stopping at red lights. The fact that it's advertised is more a statement about the group the ads are targeting, not whether it works or not.

earlywynnfan · #8 01-26-2022, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

I know my chances of contracting covid and getting severely sick are greatly increased with the vaccines, especially the boosters, than what my own natural immunity is capable of handling. (

Can you please explain to me how you know this? Can you please post one legit source showing that your chances of getting covid increase when you get the vaccine? And I don't consider Tucker to be legit.

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