New Ebay Authentication service

prestigecollectibles · #1 01-29-2022, 10:08 AM

Inside eBay's new Authenticity Guarantee for trading cards: 'It'll be a fast service'

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...914xlepioy0s5v

Kris19 · #2 01-29-2022, 10:25 AM

I will be the �official� Net54 test case

I bought a card this morning with the Authenticity Guarantee. I am 99.9% sure the card is fake. I will post updates here as things unfold. This should be interesting!

rand1com · #3 01-29-2022, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris19

I will be the �official� Net54 test case

I bought a card this morning with the Authenticity Guarantee. I am 99.9% sure the card is fake. I will post updates here as things unfold. This should be interesting!

I also bought a card which is definitely authentic but had a grade assigned. The pictures seem to match the assigned grade but just interested to see how the authenticator views the grade since they do not actually grade the card.

I'm assuming they will authenticate it and it certainly looks to be a very reasonable price for the assigned raw grade but could certainly fall a grade lower by one of the major authentication companies.

I'm more interested in how long it takes to get the card in my hands.

Based on Ebay's 1-2 day time frame stipulated for authentication once in the company's hands, it should be less than 2 weeks to get it into the buyer's hands. I highly doubt that will happen but we shall see.

The clock is ticking!

Dead-Ball-Hitter · #4 01-30-2022, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris19

I will be the �official� Net54 test case

I bought a card this morning with the Authenticity Guarantee. I am 99.9% sure the card is fake. I will post updates here as things unfold. This should be interesting!

Kris thanks for being the guinea pig!

swarmee · #5 01-30-2022, 06:14 PM

I am curious whether or not your sales tax will be refunded if the card is deemed fake.

BobC · #6 01-30-2022, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

I am curious whether or not your sales tax will be refunded if the card is deemed fake.

It sure as hell should be. If the card is deemed fake, that should result in a cancellation of the original sale. And if there was no sale, there never should have been sales tax collected. States have provisions for Ebay to file and report such instances where they return sales tax to a customer and can then receive a sales tax refund or credit. But it is up to Ebay to refund the sales tax and then file for the refund/credit. The states will likely not go after Ebay and force them to do that. As customer friendly as Ebay is, I cannot see them keeping sales tax money from a sale that is effectively cancelled, and the sales proceeds are returned to the unsuccessful buyer.

Ray Van · #7 01-30-2022, 10:54 PM

Just when I thought eBay couldn’t make any more stupid decisions (Global Shipping Program, Category Reclassifications), they go ahead and do this. Wow this is really going to drive buyers off their platform. I understand some of the potential benefits, but this is wrought with pitfalls. I sure hope they keep it at $750 level so I don’t have to worry about this service since I’m not a big spender.

That aside, I wonder how this works for non-US sellers.
Edited to add: the FAQ’s indicate this service is applicable only if both buyer and seller are located in the US, with potential to expand in the future.

icurnmedic · #8 01-31-2022, 12:28 AM

I have actually used this service for another item.
My wife wanted a certain Louis Vuitton for Christmas. Problem is, they no longer make the specific one .
So I found one on eBay, made sure I thought it was authentic and bought it. Shipping was a normal rate,can�t recall exactly, but was not out of the ordinary.
The seller shipped to a third party, no clue as to who they were, then after 3-4 days, I received notice it was on its way.
Came with an authenticity tag attached and said something to the effect of authenticity guarantee voided once removed.
I rechecked the bag and it was real . Tag removed and she loves it.

Now, not all bags have this � authenticity guarantee� when you search.
You can actually add a authenticity guarantee to your search parameters..

Going to be a disaster with cards though. If I can�t get an order for 25 cards for 8 weeks,that I paid their grading prices for, how can I expect to get a single card I purchased authenticated and sent back to me in a timely fashion for what I can only presume is a heavily discounted rate? Just imagine the volume of shipping CSG will deal with on a daily basis.
Idea is solid but bet the rollout won�t be.
Thomas

rand1com · #9 01-29-2022, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

Inside eBay's new Authenticity Guarantee for trading cards: 'It'll be a fast service'

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...914xlepioy0s5v

Interesting interview. Thanks for posting. Cleared up some questions not answered in Ebay's explanation of the service.

Ebay claims the card will be authenticated after being received in 1-2 days. Wonder how long that time frame will stand up? I'm guessing not long.

I'm going to buy a card today and see how long it takes from purchase date to delivery to me.

LEHR · #10 01-31-2022, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

Inside eBay's new Authenticity Guarantee for trading cards: 'It'll be a fast service'

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...914xlepioy0s5v

So eventually I'd have to send in a $250 card to this service that's already been authenticated by PSA/SGC,...that's mind boggling to me and completely ridiculous. This would definitely make me stop selling everything on eBay that I know will even get close to that $250 dollar mark.
What a shit show.

Gorditadogg · #11 01-31-2022, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LEHR

So eventually I'd have to send in a $250 card to this service that's already been authenticated by PSA/SGC,...that's mind boggling to me and completely ridiculous. This would definitely make me stop selling everything on eBay that I know will even get close to that $250 dollar mark.
What a shit show.

I KNOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

Here is my ebay process now:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to buyer and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

Now the new process is going to be:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to CSG and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

I DON'T THINK I CAN ADAPT! HELP!!

bnorth · #12 01-31-2022, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I KNOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

Here is my ebay process now:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to buyer and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

Now the new process is going to be:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to CSG and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

I DON'T THINK I CAN ADAPT! HELP!!

LOL, that is the post of the day.

It is a huge inconvenience and can see how some just want to throw in the towel.

LEHR · #13 01-31-2022, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I KNOW! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!

Here is my ebay process now:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to buyer and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

Now the new process is going to be:

1. get email from ebay that my card sold
2. find card and put it in envelope
3. print label addressed to CSG and stick on envelope
4. put envelope in mailbox

I DON'T THINK I CAN ADAPT! HELP!!

I understand you're just being a sarcastic smartass, but if you think this is going to go smoothly you are mistaken. You do what you want with your cards but I will not be sending my already graded cards to someone else to be authenticated a second time. Sure this is a free service in the beginning; but it will turn into another way for eBay to nickel and dime sellers before it's over. It will end up being much easier to just send everything to an AH and be done with it.

Ray Van · #14 01-31-2022, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LEHR

I understand you're just being a sarcastic smartass, but if you think this is going to go smoothly you are mistaken. You do what you want with your cards but I will not be sending my already graded cards to someone else to be authenticated a second time. Sure this is a free service in the beginning; but it will turn into another way for eBay to nickel and dime sellers before it's over. It will end up being much easier to just send everything to an AH and be done with it.

Not to mention the additional time it will take for the buyer to receive the card despite what eBay is saying about a quick turnaround time. That�s BS of the highest degree. For a company highlighting the explosive growth in cards, they are doing a great job forcing buyers and sellers off their site due to their stupid policies.

Ray Van · #15 01-31-2022, 07:40 PM

I've been on eBay since 1997 and have over 4000 completed purchases. Of these, about 50 were lost in the mail or received but not as described. In most cases I was able to work it out directly with the seller or through eBay's resolution process to get a refund. That's about 1.5% of my purchases where I was not satisfied, which was higher than I thought but probably about as expected. Granted I don't play in the $750+ zone, but is this really that much of an issue where this was required? Seems to me the fakes are fairly obvious, and where they are not they sometimes fool the grading companies which makes the CGC/CSG part a moot point. It's not like this process would have picked up on Logan Paul's fake Pok�mon case, the fake authenticated Messi signatures, or the Chrome wiped and re-signed cards that have been in the news recently.

Oh wait ... "Not only is the new card packaging secure and stylish, but it was also designed to be folded into a stand�perfect for showing your cards off." I changed my mind, this is the best thing ever!!!

Eric72 · #16 01-31-2022, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Van

...is this really that much of an issue where this was required? Seems to me the fakes are fairly obvious...

What may seem obvious to Net54 members often passes right under the nose of other collectors. Quite a large percentage of them hadn't even started participating in the hobby until 2020. I believe that's where eBay might have been coming from with this program; to make things more secure for newbies.

In theory, it sounds similar to what PSA/SGC/Beckett have been doing for years...offering peace of mind to people without the experience to properly evaluate their own cards.

Gorditadogg · #17 01-31-2022, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEHR

I understand you're just being a sarcastic smartass, but if you think this is going to go smoothly you are mistaken. You do what you want with your cards but I will not be sending my already graded cards to someone else to be authenticated a second time. Sure this is a free service in the beginning; but it will turn into another way for eBay to nickel and dime sellers before it's over. It will end up being much easier to just send everything to an AH and be done with it.

I see. Worried about how to sell all your GMA cards now?

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Buythatcard · #18 01-31-2022, 08:44 PM

If I sell a card for over $750, I will now have to get it authenticated by eBay. Instead of arriving in 3 - 4 days at the buyers residence, it will now arrive in a week or two.

What happens if I have an impatient buyer who now blames me for the delay in receiving his card? What prevents him from leaving Negative feedback because it took too long for the card to arrive from eBay's authentication process? Will eBay still allow buyers to leave a negative due to the delay in receiving their card?

Jim65 · #19 02-01-2022, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

If I sell a card for over $750, I will now have to get it authenticated by eBay. Instead of arriving in 3 - 4 days at the buyers residence, it will now arrive in a week or two.

What happens if I have an impatient buyer who now blames me for the delay in receiving his card? What prevents him from leaving Negative feedback because it took too long for the card to arrive from eBay's authentication process? Will eBay still allow buyers to leave a negative due to the delay in receiving their card?

I'm sure Ebay will remove that negative, they removed tons of slow shipping negatives during the pandemic.

JustinD · #20 02-11-2022, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

If I sell a card for over $750, I will now have to get it authenticated by eBay. Instead of arriving in 3 - 4 days at the buyers residence, it will now arrive in a week or two.

What happens if I have an impatient buyer who now blames me for the delay in receiving his card? What prevents him from leaving Negative feedback because it took too long for the card to arrive from eBay's authentication process? Will eBay still allow buyers to leave a negative due to the delay in receiving their card?

I think this will be the crux of problems with this also. I don't mind personally but I think it will bring a bunch of negs from long arrival times.

The general public can usually be confidently relied on to be moronic.

LEHR · #21 02-01-2022, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I see. Worried about how to sell all your GMA cards now?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

LOL. You must be a miserable individual with nothing to do.
Have a good day and try to relax.

thatkidfromjerrymaguire · #22 02-01-2022, 09:56 AM

I guess I'm a little surprised that the overwhelming majority of collectors on this thread are viewing this so negatively.

I agree there are definite negatives...mostly the delay in paying for a card and then receiving it. Depending on how backed up they get, the delay might be significant. And they definitely need "authenticators" that know their stuff...especially on rare vintage.

However, there is also a lot of upside. Hopefully eBay scammers will start to think twice now about listing their fakes because they know they have to go through an extra layer of authentication, and can't count on the fact they can just scam a new collector that may not know what to look for in identifying fakes. I'm hoping to see a lot less "found this card in my uncle's attic" Babe Ruth listings now.

I for one have NEVER spent more than $200 on a raw card for fear of fakes...even though I prefer raw cards in binders, I have relied on SGC and PSA slabs for those expensive cards because of the extra protection (I know, I know, they have slabbed fakes....but it is NOT common and you are much less likely to get a fake slabbed card from one of the major graders as opposed to buying raw).

I still may not buy raw cards over $200...however, hopefully I start hearing good things from fellow Net54 members who have gone through this new service and have positive feedback about it protecting them from fake cards. If this service does what's advertised, it opens up a new collecting avenue....which is higher dollar RAW cards in my collection...which I honestly prefer. And on top of that, maybe this will keep prices lower on some of those cards because sellers won't feel the need to grade and then recoup the currently outrageous grading fees for these cards when they put them up for sale.

So after thinking through it, I'll go on record as saying I'm cautiously optimistic. We'll see!

bnorth · #23 01-31-2022, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LEHR

So eventually I'd have to send in a $250 card to this service that's already been authenticated by PSA/SGC,...that's mind boggling to me and completely ridiculous. This would definitely make me stop selling everything on eBay that I know will even get close to that $250 dollar mark.
What a shit show.

It might be mind boggling to many on here. In reality several full time dealers have been scammed with fake slabs recently. There are also countless very obviously altered/fake cards in slabs. This is a GREAT thing for 99% of the hobby and I can't figure out all the hate for such a great free to buyers program.

The only bad part is the extra wait. My last experience(sneakers) was 16 days from purchase to receiving in the mail.

LEHR · #24 01-31-2022, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

It might be mind boggling to many on here. In reality several full time dealers have been scammed with fake slabs recently. There are also countless very obviously altered/fake cards in slabs. This is a GREAT thing for 99% of the hobby and I can't figure out all the hate for such a great free to buyers program.

The only bad part is the extra wait. My last experience(sneakers) was 16 days from purchase to receiving in the mail.

Ben,

I understand where you're coming from but what makes this grader any better than PSA or SGC? And sure the service is free in the beginning, but it won't be forever. When has eBay ever implemented a change that benefits collectors without also benefiting their bottom line? No hate here, just not something I'm going to participate in. if others wish to more power to them. And to me cards can't be compared to shoes or handbags because you don't already have millions of slabbed/graded/authenticated shoes or handbags on the market already certified by established graders/authenticators.
Just my opinion.

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