W516 copyright observation

[toppcat]

I looked up International Features Syndicate in my copy of American Newspaper Comics (which has a fairly long and useful syndicator section) and for IFS it states:

"Created in 1906 by Hearst, took over features of Hearst Syndicate in 1909. Managed by Richard Farrelly. Was gradually dropped as the copyright of most features by the mid-1930's. Also known as International News Service."

At a guess, IFS could have treated the W516's as cartoons and that may be an avenue to explore but like you I cannot find anything on IFC. I do note Farrelly was eventually done wrong by Hearst. Maybe you can find some more info with these little bits o'detail.

[Hankphenom]

I wonder if the photos used in the cards came from those syndicates, and that's what the copyrights are for.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Nice Brian. Very cool. I only collect W516-1-1 with Becker/Prize backs and they are all from the 11-20 strip. I have 8 so far with one dupe (so 7 different). If anyone has one of these and is willing to sell or trade one that I don't have for my dupe please PM me.

These all follow your theory as they all have IFS as the copyright.

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[Clutch-Hitter]

W516-1-3: …universal baseball… lettering (not distinguished like w515)

Example:
W515-1: standard card
W515-2: …little wonder picture series… lettering

W516-1-1: cards 1-10 can be found printed on either brown paper or the better quality white e121 type paper on which w516-1-2 is printed.

Most common: w516-1-1 and w516-2-2
Least common: w516-1-2 and w516-2-3.

Haven’t done anything w516 lately but I have several and believe my memory may be right. Not at my computer to post scans.

Great topic. I love strip cards

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

W516-1-3: …universal baseball… lettering (not distinguished like w515)

Example:
W515-1: standard card
W515-2: …little wonder picture series… lettering

W516-1-1: cards 1-10 can be found printed on either brown paper or the better quality white e121 type paper on which w516-1-2 is printed.

Most common: w516-1-1 and w516-2-2
Least common: w516-1-2 and w516-2-3.

Haven’t done anything w516 lately but I have several and believe my memory may be right. Not at my computer to post scans.

Great topic. I love strip cards

Thanks Greg...I didn't realize that a 6th type (W516-1-3) had been recognized. I have one of the "Universal Baseball" cards...so I guess I still have a type set of all W516 issues.

Also interesting to hear that the two types of W516-1-1 (brown AND white paper) are just available for #1-10.

And despite my inaccurate comment on my original post that I have spent years researching these cards, your most common and least common cards lists seem to line up with what I have noticed, with a nod from me to W516-2-1 being right behind W516-2-2 in its availability.

Brian

[edhans]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Nice Brian. Very cool. I only collect W516-1-1 with Becker/Prize backs and they are all from the 11-20 strip.
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Andy, We've got to get together some day to try see how much of a strip we can reassemble. I'm up to 25 of these, but still have never laid eyes on a Ring or a Kauf.

I also was not aware of the -3 designation. I have always supposed that the caption was only above the top row of the sheet. I can't recall a miscut (very common for strip cards) where it appears below the picture.

[cubman1941]

My W516-2-2.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Nice Brian. Very cool. I only collect W516-1-1 with Becker/Prize backs and they are all from the 11-20 strip. I have 8 so far with one dupe (so 7 different). If anyone has one of these and is willing to sell or trade one that I don't have for my dupe please PM me.

These all follow your theory as they all have IFS as the copyright.

Andy, We've got to get together some day to try see how much of a strip we can reassemble. I'm up to 25 of these, but still have never laid eyes on a Ring or a Kauf. (quoted what Ed wrote above)


Hi Andy and Ed...nice auxiliary collections of these Becker Prize cards. Being the type of collector I am, I have one of these as well (Doyle). Sorry that it doesn't match up to either of your needs.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

...And it appears that three of the Becker Prize cards that Andy showed would be considered W516-1-3, according to Greg's information he shared.

Brian

[Clutch-Hitter]

I probably don’t know what I’m talking about. It’s not an official designation but to me they’re different from the ones with no lettering. I’ll put up some scans tonight. Got some Beckers too.

Also, the grading companies rarely label these correctly so the pop reports are not a measure of scarcity. And if you think you have a player run, check them again if you relied on a company’s holder. They’ll put -1-2 on anything (all I’ve seen have white paper).

[glchen]

Here's my contribution with some trademark symbol at the top right. Not exactly sure what's written in the globe, but looks like Imperial?

[edhans]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

...And it appears that three of the Becker Prize cards that Andy showed would be considered W516-1-3, according to Greg's information he shared.

Brian

I'm highly dubious about the "-3" designation. The Beckers alone are strong evidence against it. Are we to postulate that Ms. Becker obtained cards from separate issues; and that they all happened to come from the middle series? Far more likely, in my view, is that Ms. Becker acquired a batch of cards from one or two sheets of the same series and that the captioned cards were simply those at the top of the sheet. Going by memory here, but I seem to recall the captions were present on other W516 series.

Greg, would love to see pictures of your examples. Thanks.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by edhans

I'm highly dubious about the "-3" designation. The Beckers alone are strong evidence against it. Are we to postulate that Ms. Becker obtained cards from separate issues; and that they all happened to come from the middle series? Far more likely, in my view, is that Ms. Becker acquired a batch of cards from one or two sheets of the same series and that the captioned cards were simply those at the top of the sheet. Going by memory here, but I seem to recall the captions were present on other W516 series.

Greg, would love to see pictures of your examples. Thanks.

Hello,

The Beckers are strange to all; the tint is. Yeah, because of the tint, I believe they should be differentiated. The cards with lettering (that I own) are slightly thicker therefore a thicker (deeper?) image. I’m not 100% firm and have never seen an uncut sheet with rows and columns. You have? Haven’t handled them in a while, just participating. I did have a great deal of a master set at one time. You may be right though. What are your thought on W515, just one big set?

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by edhans

I'm highly dubious about the "-3" designation. The Beckers alone are strong evidence against it. Are we to postulate that Ms. Becker obtained cards from separate issues; and that they all happened to come from the middle series? Far more likely, in my view, is that Ms. Becker acquired a batch of cards from one or two sheets of the same series and that the captioned cards were simply those at the top of the sheet. Going by memory here, but I seem to recall the captions were present on other W516 series.

Greg, would love to see pictures of your examples. Thanks.

And when we say top row, are we saying only the first several cards would have lettering? The higher number cards would not because further down the sheet?