ESPN Top 100

Peter_Spaeth · #1 02-08-2022, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

1st, Trout won't even sniff many of Williams and Cobbs accomplishments.

Hits - Cobb - 4189 - Trout - 1419

Steals - Cobb - 897 - Trout - 203

Home Runs:
Williams - 521 (and missed 3 prime years at a real WAR) - Trout - 310

Batting Average - Williams .344 - Cobb .366 - Trout .305

2nd, these 2 played in an era where there were no playoffs so asking to show their playoff numbers, really? c'mon you have at least average intelligence I'm gonna to assume. Nowadays what 5 teams from each league make the playoffs every year and there are 3 rounds before you even get to the World Series. And that wuss can't even get his team into the playoffs. Kinda like when Harper left the Nats, then the Nats won the Series. Trout is a cancer, like Harper, pretty boys who will never play in a WS, and never come close to the careers of Williams and Cobb.

3rd, you're just wrong, and I just proved it.

Don't ever mention Mike Trout with Williams and Cobb again. Mention him with Koufax if you like, or other players who had a nice shorter peak.

Now get the f--k off my lawn!

Did Trout retire? I missed the memo. He's 30. And missed most of two years. Your comparisons are meaningless. Here's something meaningful.
Offensive WAR
2012 AL 8.7 (1st)
2013 AL 10.1 (1st)
2014 AL 8.8 (1st)
2015 AL 8.8 (1st)
2016 AL 9.9 (1st)
2018 AL 9.2 (1st)
2019 AL 8.1 (1st)

Adjusted OPS+
2012 AL 168 (1st)
2015 AL 176 (1st)
2016 AL 173 (1st)
2017 AL 186 (1st)
2018 AL 198 (1st)
2019 AL 182 (1st)
Active 176 (1st)

Oh, and 3 MVPs and 4 2nds.

But hey, live in the past, it's cool. I probably have some of that nostalgia bias myself.

Shoeless Moe · #2 02-09-2022, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did Trout retire? I missed the memo. He's 30. And missed most of two years. Your comparisons are meaningless. Here's something meaningful.
Offensive WAR
2012 AL 8.7 (1st)
2013 AL 10.1 (1st)
2014 AL 8.8 (1st)
2015 AL 8.8 (1st)
2016 AL 9.9 (1st)
2018 AL 9.2 (1st)
2019 AL 8.1 (1st)

Adjusted OPS+
2012 AL 168 (1st)
2015 AL 176 (1st)
2016 AL 173 (1st)
2017 AL 186 (1st)
2018 AL 198 (1st)
2019 AL 182 (1st)
Active 176 (1st)

Oh, and 3 MVPs and 4 2nds.

But hey, live in the past, it's cool. I probably have some of that nostalgia bias myself.

Who's living in the past, I believe that would be you. You seemed to forget 2020 & 2021. Can you post those?

Like I said he had a very nice run, like Koufax did.

I personally would put him in the 40's, but if you want to put him in the 30's I'd reluctantly be ok with that. But Top 20 at this point is a complete joke.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 02-09-2022, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Who's living in the past, I believe that would be you. You seemed to forget 2020 & 2021. Can you post those?

Like I said he had a very nice run, like Koufax did.

I personally would put him in the 40's, but if you want to put him in the 30's I'd reluctantly be ok with that. But Top 20 at this point is a complete joke.

2020 was a 60 game season and he missed most of last year with an injury, but you knew that. At 30 I would doubt his run is "over." His injury is nothing like Sandy's. Stay tuned!!

drcy · #4 02-09-2022, 04:04 PM

My vote is the top 100 is a decent enough list.

insidethewrapper · #5 02-09-2022, 04:26 PM

What are Mike Trout's best stats ? I see he has never lead the league in hits, home runs or batting ave. Once in SB and once in RBI's. Good On Base Pct ( so he must be good at walking ). Watching Centerfielders his defense seems to be about the same ( they are all good ).

John1941 · #6 02-09-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

What are Mike Trout's best stats ? I see he has never lead the league in hits, home runs or batting ave. Once in SB and once in RBI's. Good On Base Pct ( so he must be good at walking ). Watching Centerfielders his defense seems to be about the same ( they are all good ).

Mike Trout's value is best shown by OPS+. OPS+ is on base percentage and slugging percentage together, and adjusted for era and park effects. For example, 100 is average and 150 is 50% better than average.

Mike Trout has led the AL in OPS+ six times, and for his career is 76% better than the average hitter. That's historic. As with all rate stats, he won't be able to keep it up, but it's still amazing.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 02-09-2022, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by John1941

Mike Trout's value is best shown by OPS+. OPS+ is on base percentage and slugging percentage together, and adjusted for era and park effects. For example, 100 is average and 150 is 50% better than average.

Mike Trout has led the AL in OPS+ six times, and for his career is 76% better than the average hitter. That's historic. As with all rate stats, he won't be able to keep it up, but it's still amazing.

I also like his MVP stats -- 3 awards and 4 second place finishes and IMO he easily could have won two or three of those.

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