T206 group of 350-only Series NO-PRINTS....CB, EPDG, OM, PB

mrvster · #1 03-18-2022, 10:24 PM

Ted ! I love that BL back

Thromdog · #2 03-19-2022, 02:11 PM

Where would Cross fit in since his only offback is Tolstoi? 350 only subject that is pretty unique on its own�.

tedzan · #3 03-19-2022, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mrvster

Ted ! I love that BL back

Hey Johnny....I love it, too. It belongs to my favorite T206 Minor Leaguer......Ed Delahanty's youngest brother.

Hey good buddy, it's really great hearing from you.

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Next time I am at the Jersey shore area, I will call you and we can to get together for lunch. We'll spend hours....Talking T206's

TED Z

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HobokenJon · #4 03-19-2022, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thromdog

Where would Cross fit in since his only offback is Tolstoi? 350 only subject that is pretty unique on its own�.

Bobby Byrne, too. Only nonstandard backs are Tolstoi and Sovereign 350.

Pat R · #5 03-20-2022, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Bobby Byrne, too. Only nonstandard backs are Tolstoi and Sovereign 350.

Besides Piedmont and Sweet Caporal Rossman is also only on Tolstoi and Sovereign.

tedzan · #6 03-20-2022, 08:22 AM

Claude Rossman is an interesting guy. His MLB career was a short one (5 years). And, doing a T206 run of his cards should be easy
since he was printed with only 6 backs. Not so, though, his 1910 COUPON and his TOLSTOI are very tough.
For example....I think there are only 2 known 1910 COUPON cards of him.... mine and Rob McKenzie's (both ungraded). And, as far
as I know only one TOLSTOI is known.

I need only the TOLSTOI to complete this run. The scan of my Rossman from my SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set has disappeared.

TED Z

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tedzan · #7 03-20-2022, 09:17 AM

Rossman is one of 23 subjects in the 350-only Series that were not printed with the group of
AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 - BROAD LEAF 350 - CYCLE 350 - DRUM subjects (190 cards).

Here is the list of these 23 subjects in the 350-only series which are A - B - C - D no-prints....

Barger
G. Brown (Washington)
Byrne
Collins (Minneapolis)
Cross
Dahlen (portrait--Brooklyn)
Demmitt (New York)
Joe Doyle
Elberfeld (portrait--Washington)
Evans
Gray
Groom
Kleinow (catching-New York)
Lundgren (Kansas City)
Mattern
McLean
Mowery
O'Hara (New York)
Puttman
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rossman
Shannon
F. Smith (Chicago--white cap)

TED Z

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HobokenJon · #8 03-20-2022, 03:01 PM

Ted, I�m curious to know . . . What is your theory for why Dahlen (Brooklyn), George Brown (Washington) and Elberfeld (Washington) should be classified as part of the 350-only series?

Each comes with only one nonstandard back � Old Mill. They don�t come with any nonstandard backs that are exclusive to the 350-only series, such as Cycle 350 or American Beauty 350 (w/frame). Each is a variation of a card that appears with a Sovereign 150 back.

My working theory has always been that these three cards are part of the 150-350 series but don�t appear with any 150 backs. Is this theory not equally plausible in your view?

HobokenJon · #9 03-30-2022, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thromdog

Where would Cross fit in since his only offback is Tolstoi? 350 only subject that is pretty unique on its own�.

Where does Cross fit in all of this? What about Bobby Byrne?

(Only offback for Cross is Tolstoi. Only offbacks for Byrne are Tolstoi and Sov 350 forest green.)

Luke · #10 03-30-2022, 02:55 PM

Not sure there's a clear answer to that question Jon.

In addition to Byrne, Mowrey and Rossman also have Sov350/Tolstoi/Coupon Type 1 as their only non Pied/SC backs.

Cross doesn't have a Sov350 or Coupon, so he's firmly in his own category.

HobokenJon · #11 03-30-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

Not sure there's a clear answer to that question Jon.

In addition to Byrne, Mowrey and Rossman also have Sov350/Tolstoi/Coupon Type 1 as their only non Pied/SC backs.

Cross doesn't have a Sov350 or Coupon, so he's firmly in his own category.

Ah, we must've hit the "submit reply" button within seconds of each other.

HobokenJon · #12 03-30-2022, 02:55 PM

My working assumption is that no one has any earthly idea why Cross's only offback is Tolstoi, and Byrne's only offbacks are Tolstoi and Sovereign 350 forest green.

But if anybody does have any good ideas about how it came to be this way, I'm all ears.

Pat R · #13 03-30-2022, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HobokenJon

My working assumption is that no one has any earthly idea why Cross's only offback is Tolstoi, and Byrne's only offbacks are Tolstoi and Sovereign 350 forest green.

But if anybody does have any good ideas about how it came to be this way, I'm all ears.

I don't think we will ever know for sure. I posted one thought I had about it back in 2017.

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Originally Posted by Pat R

I'm not sure if this is what you're asking and some of this has probably been discussed before.

Lundgren might be the most interesting print related subject in the set.
His Chicago variation was added late to print group 1 and the K.C.
variation was pulled early from print group 2.

With some of the information we have it looks like there were a few different stages
that the Piedmonts and SC350/30 and possibly SC350/25 were printed in.

There is a group of 16 (18 if you count Demmitt and O'Hara ST. Louis) subjects
that are the only no prints from print group 2 with AB frame, BL 350 and
cycle 350 backs.

Looking at this group it looks like Carolina Brights and EPDG could be part of
the earlier printing for print group 2. It looks like Bobby Byrne might have
replaced Lundgren Kansas City, Rossman might have replaced Demmitt New York
and Cross or Mowrey could have replaced O'Hara New York.

Attachment 291699

Here's the chart I made that didn't attach to the link. The chart was made before I confirmed the Rossman Tolstoi which changes the possible Rossman Demmitt NY conection.
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