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Maybe should have been "sure" before forking out $93k , or whatever the price was.
Shipping is a fickle process, sure to go wrong at times. Unfortunately , this was one of those times. Not sure where to place blame , here. If there is any to be placed. Unfortunately My instinct tells me there was several fumbles along the way. Hope it gets resolved, but there again, if Im dropping $90K, I would be sure, at least I hope I would. Thomas
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03-21-2022, 05:28 PM
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03-21-2022, 05:38 PM
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Notwithstanding the respective issues and foibles of the various players (PSA, Heritage, and PWCC), this sounds like a case of buyer's remorse. According to what I have read: (i) This guy (government worker) buys the card from a Heritage auction for $93k, pays and directs Heritage to send the card to the PWCC Vault, (ii) PWCC receives the card and emails the guy high resolution scans that shows things he does not like, (iii) he demands that Heritage takes the card back and directs PWCC to send to Heritage, which they do, (iv) Heritage says its a PSA 9, as advertised, and to take the matter up with PSA under their grade guaranty, (v) Heritage sends the package back to PWCC unopened, and somewhere along the line the (insured) package was lost and later found, (vi) the card is back in the PWCC Vault, Heritage will not return the money and maintains they sold a PSA 9 Mays, end of story, and to go back to PSA, and the owner is an upset baby who has now talked to the Texas AG and gotten the press involved.
It appears the only one who did anything wrong here is the buyer, who is unhappy he bought an over-graded card.
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I was unable to open it but googled and found another write up on it
https://darik.news/oklahoma/the-myst...203540393.html And I agree with Ryan both on his recap and his conclusion. Buyers remorse on a card that was potentially over graded and thus over paid for it Amazing how things could go so wrong by so many especially when dealing with a high value item like this
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03-21-2022, 06:17 PM
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The surprise to me is that a buyer at that level actually cares what's beneath the flip.
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03-21-2022, 06:22 PM
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1952 Berk Ross Willie Mays PSA Mint 9 - None Higher.... https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c.../50049-56488.s Sent from my SM-G781V using Tapatalk
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So has the buyer ever seen the card in person yet? If not, it seems a bit odd to get this worked up about something he's never held in his own hands. I agree that the imperfections may be paper fibers that somehow got encapsulated along with the card, rather than imperfections on the card itself. But one would probably have to see it in person to confirm. Last edited by cgjackson222; 03-21-2022 at 06:42 PM.
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03-21-2022, 07:12 PM
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The sheer number of typos made it nearly unreadable. But it was funny in parts. Willie "Mace" .... who I haven't heard of, but have to think had a unique style of baserunning.
Or playing "how many different ways can you spell the same guys name" But I think someone at pwcc should have had a look when he complained to see if that was just stuff on the scanner or slabbed along with the card. Or better still, they guy should have gotten the card himself and looked at it.
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03-21-2022, 06:23 PM
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Well stated Ryan. 2 additional thoughts 1) Did he not use the zoom in feature of HA website. I'll criticize HA website and practices where do, but they do give very high resolution images. 2) Did a PSA 9 Berk Ross Mays really jump from $4400 in May 2020 to $93k in Nov 2021?
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From the DMN article:
"PWCC’s logistics coordinator wrote Flatto back last week, saying: “I took a look into this for you to see what is going on and unfortunately, we do not have this package in our possession. The tracking data indicates this was shipped to and delivered to an address that is not ours and has a different ZIP code from our location.” "The good news is that after The Watchdog started asking questions, magically, the Mays card suddenly reappeared. PWCC staffers told Flatto they found it." "In a statement emailed to The Watchdog, PWCC co-owner Betsy Huigens blamed Heritage Auctions for sending the card to a bad address and “with no identifying information about the card’s ownership.”
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Of course, isn't it also true that under Texas law that employees of an AH are allowed to bid on items being sold by their employer? So, anyone know which AH auctioned off the Mays card in May 2020 for so much less? Last edited by BobC; 03-21-2022 at 07:00 PM.
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03-21-2022, 07:34 PM
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Correcting the mis-worded first sentence in the Dallas morning News story :
Isaac Flatto loves Willie Mays so much that a few months ago he bought a slab and had it sent to PWCC. Loves Willie Mays my ass. He cares less about that card than I do about the dump my dog took on our last walk (I at least cared enough to scoop it up and throw it in the trash).
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03-21-2022, 08:03 PM
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Thanks, did not know that. Still can't wrap my head around the almost 20X increase in price in such a short time for a Berk Ross card, and how at least two people were thinking the same. I could see a few multiples increase over the earlier price, but 20X?!?!?! Wow!!!
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