Show us some spiffy cards of your top 6 favorite T206 backs

[HobokenJon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I refer to the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT cards as "matched pairs". American Lithographic printed 74 cards of each, using the same pre-printed
sheets of the fronts of these 74 subjects.
My theory is....AB 460 and UZIT cards (74 each) were the final production runs of the T206 set (circa Spring 1911). Checklists will follow.
I may add that I also think that a number of LENOX cards were printed in that same timeframe.


I will start this show with my first AB 460 (Wheat), and my favorite (Cobb). I have 73 of the 74 cards in this sub-set (need only Camnitz).

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And, here is my first UZIT (Schaefer) and my pride and joy (McGraw).
This sub-set is a work in progress.
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OK....it's your turn to Show-n-Tell some of your favorite T206 backs and as many of their cards as you desire.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, I can’t help myself and have to ask . . . You said there are 74 subjects with AB 460 backs. T206 Resource’s AB 460 checklist shows 75 confirmed subjects. Which subject on their list do you believe is a false positive? I don’t have a dog in this hunt, and I’m not working on an AB subset. So I don’t know the answer and haven’t done any research on this to date. You also know from our previous exchanges that T206 Resource still shows three false positives on its EPDG checklist (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett). So I’m making no presumptions that T206 Resource’s AB 460 list is correct. I’d just like to know. Getting 73 subjects with AB 460 backs is quite the accomplishment.

Here’s a link to their AB 460 checklist: https://t206resource.com/American%20...Checklist.html

[stutor]

Pretty sure the extra is Ames Hands over Head

[HobokenJon]

Originally Posted by stutor

Pretty sure the extra is Ames Hands over Head

Ah, indeed. It’s pop-zero on both PSA and SGC.

[atx840]

Love the Red Hindus

[RedsFan1941]

smart move, starting a new thread.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Love the Red Hindus

Hi Chris....very spiffy.


I love the red HINDU cards, too. This back is 3rd on my list.







TED Z

T206 Reference
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Ted, I can’t help myself and have to ask . . . You said there are 74 subjects with AB 460 backs. T206 Resource’s AB 460 checklist shows 75 confirmed subjects. Which subject on their list do you believe is a false positive? I don’t have a dog in this hunt, and I’m not working on an AB subset. So I don’t know the answer and haven’t done any research on this to date. You also know from our previous exchanges that T206 Resource still shows three false positives on its EPDG checklist (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett). So I’m making no presumptions that T206 Resource’s AB 460 list is correct. I’d just like to know. Getting 73 subjects with AB 460 backs is quite the accomplishment.

Here’s a link to their AB 460 checklist: https://t206resource.com/American%20...Checklist.html

Jon

Ames (hands over head) is the 75th card on T206Resource's AB 460 checklist.

It is absolute incorrect. I can give you several reasons why I say this, but 2 will do. I had this card listed in one of my early (circa 2008) AB460 threads because it was an input
in Bill Brown's T206 Super Set Xcel work-sheet (circa 2006) by a very dependable fellow.
Then when I came up with my "Mutually-Exclusive" theory regarding the 350/460 series, I realized that this Ames was never printed with an AB 460 back. I contacted the Net54
member who inputted that front/back combo to the Super Set. He checked his vast collection of T206's and admitted he has an Ames/CYCLE 460 which he by mistake inputted
this card as an AB 460.

2nd.....If you check-out T206 Reference Post #945, you will see that Red HINDU cards were printed with SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 cards (AB 460 cards are absolutely
a NO-PRINT with this SC back). And with the exception of the Exclusive 12 subjects, AB 460 and Red HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive.
This Ames has been confirmed with a SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 back. However, this Ames has yet to be confirmed with a Red HINDU back. I completely expect
it will eventually be discovered with a Red HINDU.
I predicted two other cards in recent years would be found with Red HINDU backs (Dougherty and Donlin)....and, they were.


TED Z
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[Rhotchkiss]

Damn Chris!

I love a brown old mill

[tedzan]

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AMERICAN BEAUTY 460.......74 (total) confirmed cards. Printed and issued in early 1911....COMPLETE

350/460 Series..................28 cards COMPLETE


Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


460-only Series..................46 cards COMPLETE

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bergen (catching)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms above head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)
Hummell

Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Ted, I can’t help myself and have to ask . . . You said there are 74 subjects with AB 460 backs. T206 Resource’s AB 460 checklist shows 75 confirmed subjects. Which subject on their list do you believe is a false positive? I don’t have a dog in this hunt, and I’m not working on an AB subset. So I don’t know the answer and haven’t done any research on this to date. You also know from our previous exchanges that T206 Resource still shows three false positives on its EPDG checklist (Pastorius, Hunky Shaw and Willett). So I’m making no presumptions that T206 Resource’s AB 460 list is correct. I’d just like to know. Getting 73 subjects with AB 460 backs is quite the accomplishment.

Here’s a link to their AB 460 checklist: https://t206resource.com/American%20...Checklist.html

Originally Posted by tedzan

Jon

Ames (hands over head) is the 75th card on T206Resource's AB 460 checklist.

It is absolute incorrect. I can give you several reasons why I say this, but 2 will do. I had this card listed in one of my early (circa 2008) AB460 threads because it was an input
in Bill Brown's T206 Super Set Xcel work-sheet (circa 2006) by a very dependable fellow.
Then when I came up with my "Mutually-Exclusive" theory regarding the 350/460 series, I realized that this Ames was never printed with an AB 460 back. I contacted the Net54
member who inputted that front/back combo to the Super Set. He checked his vast collection of T206's and admitted he has an Ames/CYCLE 460 which he by mistake inputted
this card as an AB 460.

2nd.....If you check-out T206 Reference Post #945, you will see that Red HINDU cards were printed with SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 cards (AB 460 cards are absolutely
a NO-PRINT with this SC back). And with the exception of the Exclusive 12 subjects, AB 460 and Red HINDU cards are mutually-exclusive.
This Ames has been confirmed with a SWEET CAP 350-460 Factory #42 back. However, this Ames has yet to be confirmed with a Red HINDU back. I completely expect
it will eventually be discovered with a Red HINDU.
I predicted two other cards in recent years would be found with Red HINDU backs (Dougherty and Donlin)....and, they were.


TED Z
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Okay let's see if I get banned too for pointing out incorrect information because apparently that's considered "hi-jacking" a thread.

Ted claimed he owned an Ames American Beauty 460 but after finding out it likely doesn't exist he went back and edited all his lists to switch Ames around (he's still doing it 10 years later on some lists) but he couldn't edit this one because it's on the old board.

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There are 103 possible T206's that could have been printed with the American Beauty 460 back. But,
there are always those "nasty" No-Prints that keep you guessing. After 4 years of hunting for AB 460
cards, it appears that 33 Subjects are No-Prints. This of course is subject to revision, if additional AB
460's are found.

So, it's taken me 4 years to acquire 70 cards. It took me only 11 months to put together a 521 card
T206 Piedmont set. So, that gives you an idea how tough these AB 460 cards are.

Since the AB 460 back has a Factory 42 (North Carolina) identification, we can presume these cards
were issued at the very end of the T206 production run (circa 1911). So, I thought it would be cool
to collect this final T206 issue.








Listed here are the 70 cards in my set. The 350/460 Series is first and the 460-only Series follows.....

350/460 Series......30 cards

Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two habds)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (throwing)

460-only Series......40 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bergen (catching)
Bridwell (cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms up)
Chance (bat)
Chase (Trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Howell (hands at waist)
Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Meyers
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait w/cap)

I'd very much appreciate any additions to this sub-set....as I said, I am not 100% certain that these
70 cards complete this run. Actually, I would have expected more of them from the 460-only Series.

So, once more I'm asking you T206 collectors to check-out you sets and see if you have any AB 460
cards that are not on my list ?

Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey Pat

You continue repeating (Folks, this is the 4th time) the same old stuff from o 14 (or more) years ago. What's wrong with you ?

I have explained every time you do this regarding the Ames, Baker, Elberfeld cards on that old list. But, you ignore my explanation.
Otherwise, you would refrain from sounding like a "broken record".

Give us all a break.....will you !

You look foolish, because all you are doing is providing another example of how your "resource buddies" borrowed my old Checklists
and put the data into their resource site. Not only AB 460 list, but SOVEREIGN lists, and PIEDMONT #42 list. Regarding the latter list,
Resource still has three subjects on it that do not exist. And, that is not only my opinion. It is also Adam Goldberg's opinion (who has
put together this run.
Long ago, I have explained why a few subjects on my lists dating back to 2006 - 2008 were incorrect. I subsequently corrected them.

There are some of us on this forum that have requested Resource to correct their mistakes, but none of them have been corrected !

HEY EVERYONE.....here we go again "Mr HIGH-JACKER" is trying to disrupt a meaningful thread of mine.

Just ignore him....and continue posting your favorite cards with you favorite backs.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Pat

You continue repeating (Folks, this is the 4th time) the same old stuff from o 14 (or more) years ago. What's wrong with you ?

I have explained every time you do this regarding the Ames, Baker, Elberfeld cards on that old list. But, you ignore my explanation.
Otherwise, you would refrain from sounding like a "broken record".

Give us all a break.....will you !

You look foolish, because all you are doing is providing another example of how your "resource buddies" borrowed my old Checklists
and put the data into their resource site. Not only AB 460 list, but SOVEREIGN lists, and PIEDMONT #42 list. Regarding the latter list,
Resource still has three subjects on it that do not exist. And, that is not only my opinion. It is also Adam Goldberg's opinion (who has
put together this run.
Long ago, I have explained why a few subjects on my lists dating back to 2006 - 2008 were incorrect. I subsequently corrected them.

There are some of us on this forum that have requested Resource to correct their mistakes, but none of them have been corrected !

HEY EVERYONE.....here we go again "Mr HIGH-JACKER" is trying to disrupt a meaningful thread of mine.

Just ignore him....and continue posting your favorite cards with you favorite backs.


TED Z
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Yeah and for the fourth time Ted it wasn't just on your list you said you had it in your set I don't know how gullible you think everyone is if we're supposed to believe that someone that completes an American Beauty 460 subset and keeps their T206 cards in a binder in alphabetical order by series and back mistakenly thought they owned the first card on the checklist.

and this isn't the first time you claimed you owned a card that didn't exist

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=136566

You even went so far as faking a scan of the card when questioned about owning it.
Then you edited your post and removed the scan but John M had saved the scan you posted. You even used the back of another 649 subject that matched up with the Nicholls front.
NichollsSC649.jpg


Now I may be in the minority here and your friends can defend you but I find it far worse when someone in the hobby intentionally deceives other people in the hobby than I do some scumbag who doesn't pretend to have the best intentions about the hobby in mind when they are trimming cards and faking autographs.

[stutor]

My favorite back is Red Cross (although it doesn’t really count in this context). And I only have 2
I think Hindus are pretty cool also.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by stutor

My favorite back is Red Cross (although it doesn’t really count in this context). And I only have 2
I think Hindus are pretty cool also.

Hi Sonny

I consider RED CROSS (T215-1) cards and the 1910 COUPON cards as T206's.....so your context is valid here.


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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