Baseball Is Dying

jingram058 · #1 04-14-2022, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sreader3

Yes, this was terrible. In part I blame Kershaw for not insisting that he be left in. Only 80 pitches through seven innings and 23 perfect games in baseball history!

Total prima Donna BS. Tell me again how great baseball is. Rooting for this metrics-driven, corporate, robotic MLB these days is like rooting for Bernie Madoff, denying he did anything wrong, even admiring all his accomplishments. Then he got caught.

JustinD · #2 04-14-2022, 09:28 AM

Going back to previous comments, I honestly do not find the length of games a deterrent to future fandom.

I admit that the length has almost completely stopped my ballpark trips and it is unlikely that I will return due to the ease of watching from home, better views, the fanbase after the 6th inning with consumption, as well as a bathroom line that satisfies my old man prostate needs, lol.

The one change I would like to see is some (what I would consider easier changes to eliminate wasted time) limits to pitching changes and stepping out of the box to dink around with swings. Abuse of leaving the box should equal a strike added to the count.

jingram058 · #3 04-14-2022, 11:31 AM

Now that all of the fun has been sucked completely out of it, "the game" is nothing but money. I'm done. I should have been done with the strike of '94, as so, so many others were. Dying? It's dead! All that's left is a corporation.

Deertick · #4 04-15-2022, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Now that all of the fun has been sucked completely out of it, "the game" is nothing but money. I'm done. I should have been done with the strike of '94, as so, so many others were. Dying? It's dead! All that's left is a corporation.

Above is paraphrased from a 1925 beat reporter. Also, each of his successors.

Hankphenom · #5 04-15-2022, 06:11 PM

I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that the old system, whereby pitchers were expected to finish their games unless they were really getting knocked around, produced worse results than bringing in relievers after low pitch counts compared to the old days. I don't understand how anybody can look at the records of hundreds of old-time pitchers, and not just the special ones, and not at least question the modern strategy. Were the old-timers actually worn out in the later innings and costing their teams games before the light bulb went off in some manager's head with the idea of replacing them before that happened, or did good pitchers more frequently get into grooves whereby they were throwing just as well in the eighth, ninth, and sometimes eleventh, twelfth, or even fifteenth or sixteenth innings! I Want to see SABR-type analysis of the comparison between yesteryear and today. Which was actually more effective?

D. Bergin · #6 04-15-2022, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that the old system, whereby pitchers were expected to finish their games unless they were really getting knocked around, produced worse results than bringing in relievers after low pitch counts compared to the old days. I don't understand how anybody can look at the records of hundreds of old-time pitchers, and not just the special ones, and not at least question the modern strategy. Were the old-timers actually worn out in the later innings and costing their teams games before the light bulb went off in some manager's head with the idea of replacing them before that happened, or did good pitchers more frequently get into grooves whereby they were throwing just as well in the eighth, ninth, and sometimes eleventh, twelfth, or even fifteenth or sixteenth innings! I Want to see SABR-type analysis of the comparison between yesteryear and today. Which was actually more effective?

There's been untold numbers of studies done on the effectiveness of starting pitchers in the early, the middle, and the late innings, and outside of a few anecdotal outliers it's pretty cut and dry.

As far as the "Old-Timers", it was a completely different game, with different ballparks, equipment, circumstances, and strategies.

You may not like present day strategy, but they wouldn't do it if it didn't work.

Hankphenom · #7 04-15-2022, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

There's been untold numbers of studies done on the effectiveness of starting pitchers in the early, the middle, and the late innings, and outside of a few anecdotal outliers it's pretty cut and dry. As far as the "Old-Timers", it was a completely different game, with different ballparks, equipment, circumstances, and strategies. You may not like present day strategy, but they wouldn't do it if it didn't work.

Here's the question I would like answered, and it shouldn't take much to come with the answer, but I didn't when I googled it: Since the advent of the short starters and multiple relief pitchers, are fewer runs being scored in the later innings?

sreader3 · #8 04-15-2022, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

Total prima Donna BS. Tell me again how great baseball is. Rooting for this metrics-driven, corporate, robotic MLB these days is like rooting for Bernie Madoff, denying he did anything wrong, even admiring all his accomplishments. Then he got caught.

"Metrics-driven": I love it. I am a stats geek.

"Corporate": Not sure what this means. Most private enterprise these days involves corporations. Hell, I was a one-person corporation for 18 years while I was practicing law. Perhaps you would prefer that baseball be run by the federal government? They do such a great job! I can only imagine the new regs.

"Robotic": Again, not sure what this means. Last time I checked, there were no robots on the MLB diamond. Just flesh and bones fielders, batters, umps and coaches with all of their human foibles.

"Bernie Madoff": I never rooted for Bernie Madoff. The guy made-up stats and defrauded his clients of hundreds of millions of dollars. I haven't seen that in baseball. In baseball, you can watch the game and track the stats. No fraud so far as I can tell. Just big business, big contracts, big money--which you perhaps don't like.

Baseball is rather like our country. Fundamentally sound and flawed; worth preserving and improving.

jingram058 · #9 04-16-2022, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sreader3

"Metrics-driven": I love it. I am a stats geek.

"Corporate": Not sure what this means. Most private enterprise these days involves corporations. Hell, I was a one-person corporation for 18 years while I was practicing law. Perhaps you would prefer that baseball be run by the federal government? They do such a great job! I can only imagine the new regs.

"Robotic": Again, not sure what this means. Last time I checked, there were no robots on the MLB diamond. Just flesh and bones fielders, batters, umps and coaches with all of their human foibles.

"Bernie Madoff": I never rooted for Bernie Madoff. The guy made-up stats and defrauded his clients of hundreds of millions of dollars. I haven't seen that in baseball. In baseball, you can watch the game and track the stats. No fraud so far as I can tell. Just big business, big contracts, big money--which you perhaps don't like.

Baseball is rather like our country. Fundamentally sound and flawed; worth preserving and improving.

For all your puffed-up enthusiasm, baseball is still undeniably dying.

Snapolit1 · #10 04-16-2022, 06:40 AM

As I sat in the Citifield parking lot yesterday for an hour after the game ended waiting to move my car a few more inches I stayed calm by just repeated to my self over and over �baseball is dying �.. baseball is dying �.. baseball is dying�.

jingram058 · #11 04-16-2022, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

As I sat in the Citifield parking lot yesterday for an hour after the game ended waiting to move my car a few more inches I stayed calm by just repeated to my self over and over �baseball is dying �.. baseball is dying �.. baseball is dying�.

How much was your ticket(s)? How much did you pay to park? Did you purchase beer, soda, peanuts, hot dogs, or any of that? Was it a sellout on a Friday night? How long did the game last? Was it fun? Finally, I haven't checked, did the Mets win?

Snapolit1 · #12 04-23-2022, 08:50 AM

Even with the disaster that is the Oakland As, baseball attendance in April up meaningfully from 2019 levels, last full season before covid.

Baseball is dying . . .baseball is dying. . . .baseball is dying . . . .

jingram058 · #13 04-23-2022, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Even with the disaster that is the Oakland As, baseball attendance in April up meaningfully from 2019 levels, last full season before covid.

Baseball is dying . . .baseball is dying. . . .baseball is dying . . . .

Keep on drinking that Kool Aid, brother!

GeoPoto · #14 04-23-2022, 10:30 AM

Your apparent dissatisfaction with the expense and crowds involved in attending the games, would appear inconsistent with your premise that the game is dying. Kinda like "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded!" Unless you are making a long-run prediction.

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Originally Posted by jingram058

How much was your ticket(s)? How much did you pay to park? Did you purchase beer, soda, peanuts, hot dogs, or any of that? Was it a sellout on a Friday night?

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