Old Judge(N172) or T206 Set (Which is harder to complete?

insidethewrapper · #1 05-01-2022, 01:36 PM

Not counting all the poses of the N172 Old Judge Set, just 1 of each player (521) is what I was asking for estimates.

Any cost estimates to put together these 2 sets . I was thinking about 2-3 million + for T206 ( 524 set), the N172 Old Judge appears to be impossible. What is the the closest collection to completion of the 521 subjects ? 450 ? 500 ? How much ($$$) to get close to completion ???

G1911 · #2 05-01-2022, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Any cost estimates to put together these 2 sets . I was thinking about 2-3 million + for T206 ( 524 set), the N172 Old Judge appears to be impossible. What is the the closest collection to completion of the 521 subjects ? 450 ? 500 ? How much to get close to completion ???

I think a beat to hell Wagner is worth $2-$3 million at this point.

insidethewrapper · #3 05-01-2022, 01:41 PM

Probably $4-5 Million is a better estimate for the T206.

How many T206 complete 524 sets are out there ? What is the closest to a 521 set of N172 's ?

felada · #4 05-01-2022, 02:41 PM

Reminds me of this thread

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...t=81872&page=2

oldjudge · #5 05-01-2022, 04:06 PM

Since the Old Judge book was published in 2008 two new players have been added to the set making the total 523. The players are Tug Wilson and Roscoe Coughlin. Joe and I wrote an article for OC about the Wilson; here is an image of the Coughlin

oldjudge · #6 05-01-2022, 04:10 PM

Sorry for the shitty picture. The image on the card is actually pretty good.

oldjudge · #7 05-01-2022, 04:19 PM

BTW, for what it�s worth (probably not much) I view the complete set as one card from every player from every team they are listed with. To be clear, I mean if John Smith has a card that lists him with New York and one that lists him with Pittsburgh then you need two cards to �complete� John Smith. That would make the set closer to 800 cards, although, truth be told, I have never figured out the exact number.

BobC · #8 05-01-2022, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Not counting all the poses of the N172 Old Judge Set, just 1 of each player (521) is what I was asking for estimates.

Any cost estimates to put together these 2 sets . I was thinking about 2-3 million + for T206 ( 524 set), the N172 Old Judge appears to be impossible. What is the the closest collection to completion of the 521 subjects ? 450 ? 500 ? How much ($$$) to get close to completion ???

The Old Judge N172 set, even at just 1 card per player, is a virtually impossible set to complete. Jay, Joe, and Richard's book even lists out the 100 toughest players to find cards of as of the time of its publication. That list is topped by California league players of which there may only be a card or two of many of the 18 different players in that subgroup. In all my years I have yet to even see a California league player card available for sale.

Plus, when that Goodwin/Old Judge book was originally published in 2008, it only listed 512 different players in the set. Yet if memory serves, by the time the last Krause/SCD vintage catalog came out around 2017, it was showing there were now 525 different players in the Old Judge set. And I would have to think that for any of the new players who were found since 2008, there's likely only going to be a card or two existing for any of them, making them uber-rare as well, on a par with many of the California League player cards.

And with virtually no real current (or recent past) sales history to look at for any of these uber-rare OJ cards, who knows what they could end up going for if they came up for sale in today's market. I would expect most of them individually to easily go for six-figure amounts though. The problem is ever finding all the N172 Old Judge player cards for sale to actually complete a full player set. Because of so many rare cards in the set, it is virtually impossible to make a well educated guess as to what a complete OJ player set would cost in today's market. I could easily see it topping $5M, but where it could end up, who knows? It would be a unique set due to the various 1-of-1 player cards in it.

Meanwhile, there are/have been several documented complete 524 card T206 sets put together, with each set's overall value probably most dependent on condition. Especially the condition of the big four" cards, and with emphasis on the Wagner most of all.

oldjudge · #9 05-01-2022, 04:28 PM

First, the Krause list is incorrect so you can ignore that. Second, I believe the book listed 521 players not 512. The correct number as of today is 523. Bob, I think the issue you are having is that the numbers only go to 512. That is because newly found cards have been given half numbers. Take a look at Davin for example and you will see what I am saying.

BobC · #10 05-01-2022, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

First, the Krause list is incorrect so you can ignore that. Second, I believe the book listed 521 players not 512. The correct number as of today is 523. Bob, I think the issue you are having is that the numbers only go to 512. That is because newly found cards have been given half numbers. Take a look at Davin for example and you will see what I am saying.

Thanks Jay, didn't have the books in front of me. So the correct number of different players is just 523. Cool, thanks.

jcmtiger · #11 05-01-2022, 11:18 PM

Never will see a complete Old Judge N172 set of all poses. Never.

JustinD · #12 05-02-2022, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Never will see a complete Old Judge N172 set of all poses. Never.

Agreed, it would be unquestionably impossible and likely cost an infinite amount of money as just the effort would be well known and as you gathered then the prices would multiply exponentially on each one of one. People would be asking millions for unknown players as you would be essentially blackmailed into paying any amount. It would make the cost of a complete T206 as paltry in comparison, as you would be in Elon money within only a couple years.

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