A Derby for the ages

[pclpads]

Most of the posts here are all "woo-woo" about the outcome. Granted, exciting to watch, but . . . I'll take the contrarian view: I have to wonder if the fix was in. Given the 80-1 odds, how does such an animal even come in 1-2-3, let alone win such a prestigious race? Perhaps a little monkey biz - or horsey biz - behind the scenes prior to the race? I think the outcome vs odds struck a huge blow for the legitimacy of racing and odds makers. After the Baffert mess last Derby, horse racing is on thin ice. This doesn't help.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Most of the posts here are all "woo-woo" about the outcome. Granted, exciting to watch, but . . . I'll take the contrarian view: I have to wonder if the fix was in. Given the 80-1 odds, how does such an animal even come in 1-2-3, let alone win such a prestigious race? Perhaps a little monkey biz - or horsey biz - behind the scenes prior to the race? I think the outcome vs odds struck a huge blow for the legitimacy of racing and odds makers. After the Baffert mess last Derby, horse racing is on thin ice. This doesn't help.

I think as long as the horse tests clean, it's fine.

Hard to fix a race like that any other way.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I think as long as the horse tests clean, it's fine.

Hard to fix a race like that any other way.

Agreed. What possible incentive would other horse owners have to throw a race or participate in some kind of fix. The expense in getting a horse into such a race is prohibitively expensive.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The horse wasn't even entered into the field until a few days before the race, right? So starting at that point someone managed to fix the Kentucky Derby before they sang My Old Kentucky Home? How? Did they (you need a they, right?) pay off every other jockey to take a dive, and they all just nicely agreed? And Sonny Leon's amazing navigation through the field at the end was what, pre-orchestrated?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The horse wasn't even entered into the field until a few days before the race, right? So starting at that point someone managed to fix the Kentucky Derby before they sang My Old Kentucky Home? How? Did they (you need a they, right?) pay off every other jockey to take a dive, and they all just nicely agreed? And Sonny Leon's amazing navigation through the field at the end was what, pre-orchestrated?

To be fair, I think he was alluding to more of a PEDS situation, then a straight up fix.

I hope to hell, that shoe doesn't drop in the near future.

Hell, 80-1 was probably optimistic odds, considering the situation. Only reason it was likely that low, was because there's always going to be some action on the longest shots in a race like that, from bettors looking to hit Lotto.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

To be fair, I think he was alluding to more of a PEDS situation, then a straight up fix.

I hope to hell, that shoe doesn't drop in the near future.

Hell, 80-1 was probably optimistic odds, considering the situation. Only reason it was likely that low, was because there's always going to be some action on the longest shots in a race like that, from bettors looking to hit Lotto.

He used the phrase "the fix was in." I took that to mean the race was fixed not the horse was doped. If I misinterpreted my mistake.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He used the phrase "the fix was in." I took that to mean the race was fixed not the horse was doped. If I misinterpreted my mistake.

I'm just guessing based on his Baffert reference in his post.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The horse wasn't even entered into the field until a few days before the race, right? So starting at that point someone managed to fix the Kentucky Derby before they sang My Old Kentucky Home? How? Did they (you need a they, right?) pay off every other jockey to take a dive, and they all just nicely agreed? And Sonny Leon's amazing navigation through the field at the end was what, pre-orchestrated?

Maybe what we saw was all CGI. You know some of those hats could not have been real