Under appreciated Hall of Famers

perezfan · #1 05-15-2022, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BearBailey

I think Jackie Robinson and Hank Aaron’s prices have left under appreciated territory.
Joe Morgan and Steve Carlton still in n the under appreciated prices.

I was thinking Morgan is the most under-appreciated. Probably the second best 2B of all-time, only behind Hornsby. But his card prices don't come anywhere close to reflecting that and there is never any "buzz" about him.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-15-2022, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

I was thinking Morgan is the most under-appreciated. Probably the second best 2B of all-time, only behind Hornsby. But his card prices don't come anywhere close to reflecting that and there is never any "buzz" about him.

Agreed. He didn't hit any "counting stat" milestones, his BA isn't that high, and he wasn't a true power hitter. His greatness was more subtle.

Mike D. · #3 05-15-2022, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agreed. He didn't hit any "counting stat" milestones, his BA isn't that high, and he wasn't a true power hitter. His greatness was more subtle.

Yes, you'd need some kind of advanced stats to appreciate his value, like WAR. The same advanced stats he spent his post-playing broadcast career railing against.

D. Bergin · #4 05-15-2022, 01:43 PM

For a guy who won 3 Cy Youngs, was top 5, 8 times, a 20+ game winner 8 times, and has 3 World Series titles, I recently noticed how dirt cheap Jim Palmer cards tend to sell for.

Not holding my breath for the big jump though.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-15-2022, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

For a guy who won 3 Cy Youngs, was top 5, 8 times, a 20+ game winner 8 times, and has 3 World Series titles, I recently noticed how dirt cheap Jim Palmer cards tend to sell for.

Not holding my breath for the big jump though.

He wasn't a great strikeout artist and the rap on him, fair or not, was that he benefited greatly from the superb Oriole defense behind him.

ATP · #6 05-15-2022, 01:56 PM

These are the two that always come to mind for me.

Stan Musial
For Pitchers: Warren Spahn

jakebeckleyoldeagleeye · #7 05-15-2022, 02:17 PM

I always thought Eddie Mathews was one.

D. Bergin · #8 05-15-2022, 02:32 PM

I don't own any of his cards, but I've been saying Jimmie Foxx was going to have a big price hike...for about 20 years now.

Looking at his gaudy stat lines, I feel like if Jimmie Foxx had been on the Yankees and Lou Gehrig had played on several teams like Foxx, their price structures would be reversed.

Then again, imagine Jimmie Foxx and Babe Ruth on the same team. They would have had some epic years, but they also might have had some epic parties and drinking competitions, ruining each other just a little bit at a time along the way.

Seven · #9 05-15-2022, 05:10 PM

I think Jackie Robinson's prices have become properly valued. I think there's a strong argument to be made that he's the greatest 2nd baseman ever, or at least right there with Rajah.

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I don't own any of his cards, but I've been saying Jimmie Foxx was going to have a big price hike...for about 20 years now.

Looking at his gaudy stat lines, I feel like if Jimmie Foxx had been on the Yankees and Lou Gehrig had played on several teams like Foxx, their price structures would be reversed.

Then again, imagine Jimmie Foxx and Babe Ruth on the same team. They would have had some epic years, but they also might have had some epic parties and drinking competitions, ruining each other just a little bit at a time along the way.

I do think Foxx is criminally underpriced and underrated. Gehrig does edge him out though in terms of who was better. The stats across the board favor Lou. Not even factoring the years Gehrig was robbed due to his illness. It's not like the teams Foxx were on didn't accomplish anything either.

I will say though, Foxx would be better remembered if he didn't fall off a cliff statistically. Through his age 32 Season he had exactly 500 Home Runs, he was in a good position to break The Babe's record. It's unfortunate what happened to him in the end.

Lorewalker · #10 05-16-2022, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I don't own any of his cards, but I've been saying Jimmie Foxx was going to have a big price hike...for about 20 years now.

Looking at his gaudy stat lines, I feel like if Jimmie Foxx had been on the Yankees and Lou Gehrig had played on several teams like Foxx, their price structures would be reversed.

Then again, imagine Jimmie Foxx and Babe Ruth on the same team. They would have had some epic years, but they also might have had some epic parties and drinking competitions, ruining each other just a little bit at a time along the way.

Agree with Foxx...3x MVP and put up great numbers for 20 seasons. While his rookie card has appreciated he is clearly overlooked.

jingram058 · #11 05-15-2022, 02:34 PM

You brought him up. Lou Gehrig. Best first baseman, by numerous accounts, ever to play. Sure, the whole "The Pride Of The Yankees" ALS tragedy still puts him in a certain spotlight, but his cards, relatively speaking, remain quite affordable. You would think he would be in the rarified air of Ruth, Mantle, etc., but that is not the case.

RCMcKenzie · #12 05-15-2022, 02:46 PM

I think Morgan and Palmer cards are tied to the value of 60's-80's Topps, no matter how great they were as players. They do pretty well for the sets they are in. It gets worse for 90's stars like Bagwell and Frank Thomas.

For some reason that I don't understand, today's new releases are worth a lot of money, but when I pulled a 1978 Topps Morgan or Palmer, it was worth $0.10 in nm in the Beckect Price Guide. If Babe Ruth only had 70's Topps cards, he would still be the greatest player, but his cards would be very cheap.

skelly423 · #13 05-16-2022, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jingram058

You brought him up. Lou Gehrig. Best first baseman, by numerous accounts, ever to play. Sure, the whole "The Pride Of The Yankees" ALS tragedy still puts him in a certain spotlight, but his cards, relatively speaking, remain quite affordable. You would think he would be in the rarified air of Ruth, Mantle, etc., but that is not the case.

No disrespect intended, but I don't think I've ever seen Gehrig on an under appreciated list before. As far as the hobby (or career statistics) is concerned, Ruth is the #1, greatest of all time, transcendent superstar, and Gehrig's prices will never (and should never) reach that level of Ruth.

That said, he's the most expensive card in any set he is in -- or second most expensive when Ruth is in the set. It's hard to compare prices for players in entirely different ears, but IMO he's absolutely in the next echelon with Mantle, Cobb, Mays, etc.

robw1959 · #14 05-15-2022, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He wasn't a great strikeout artist and the rap on him, fair or not, was that he benefited greatly from the superb Oriole defense behind him.

He did benefit, but he could also hold his own on the mound, like when at age 19 he outdueled Sandy Koufax in game two of the 1966 World Series, shutting out the Dodgers. And don't forget this amazing stat on Palmer: He never ever gave up a single grand slam!

vansaad · #15 05-16-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by robw1959

And don't forget this amazing stat on Palmer: He never ever gave up a single grand slam!

Remarkable he never gave up a granny in the majors. But he did give one up against the Buffalo Bisons in a rehab start. Without looking, anyone know who hit the grand slam?

toledo_mudhen · #16 05-16-2022, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vansaad

Remarkable he never gave up a granny in the majors. But he did give one up against the Buffalo Bisons in a rehab start. Without looking, anyone know who hit the grand slam?

Johnny Bench -

Yoda · #17 05-16-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He wasn't a great strikeout artist and the rap on him, fair or not, was that he benefited greatly from the superb Oriole defense behind him.

Jim, always looked sharp in his tidy whiteys.

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