Players not yet eligible for the HOF

oldjudge · #1 05-20-2022, 04:59 PM

Minute Maid park is a band box with a 315 ft left field line and only 360 to left center. Altuve only hit 12 HRs on the road last year. Playing in Houston is like playing in Boston with a much lower fence.

oldjudge · #2 05-20-2022, 05:07 PM

Sabathia is pretty much Andy Pettitte, really good pitcher who falls a little short of being a HOFer. This is coming from a Yankee fan.

John1941 · #3 05-21-2022, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Sabathia is pretty much Andy Pettitte, really good pitcher who falls a little short of being a HOFer. This is coming from a Yankee fan.

Also coming from a Yankees fan, I think 251 wins, 3093 K's, and a 116 ERA+ is a hall of famer.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #4 05-21-2022, 09:45 AM

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Also coming from a Yankees fan, I think 251 wins, 3093 K's, and a 116 ERA+ is a hall of famer.

Beats the pants off of Jack Morris in terms of how he compares to his contemporaries.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-21-2022, 10:14 AM

For completeness, just due to some strong counting stats, I will add to the list:
2005 Nelson Cruz (unlikely)

Gorditadogg · #6 05-21-2022, 11:05 AM

At first base I would add Goldschmidt and rank them:

Pujols
Votto
Goldschmidt
Freeman

Votto played at an All Star level until he was 35 and has 6 years as 7th or better in MVP voting. Led the league in OBP 7 times and OPS twice. 7-year peak WAR of 46.2. OPS+ of 146. Played his whole career with the Reds. I'd say he is borderline because he "only" has 331 HRs, and it looks like this may be his last year, but he's had a very nice career.

Goldschmidt has 5 years in the top 7 MVP voting and also has 4 Gold Gloves for some reason. OPS+ of 142, 7-year WAR of 42.2. BA is .294 with 286 HRs. I doubt he makes the HOF but he has better advanced stars than Eddie Murray for instance, but with only half the games that Murray played.

Freeman has 4 years in the top 7 MVP voting and 1 GG. His OPS+ is 139 but his 7-year peak WAR is only 33.4. BA of .296 with 274 HRs. He is only 32 years old, 2 years younger than Goldschmidt, so he could accumulate more and he hasn't slowed down yet. Still, while he has been remarkably consistent over his career so far, I'd say it's unlikely he makes the Hall.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-21-2022, 11:23 AM

Funny y9ou mention Goldschmidt, when I added Cruz I thought of adding him but decided not to when I saw his stats. That said, let's add him.

2011 Goldschmidt (unlikely)

darkhorse9 · #8 05-21-2022, 11:29 AM

The big caveat I would put in Freddie Freeman is the "Braves Vacating Syndrome" or BVS.

It happened before for non-pitchers. Dale Murphy was a lot ci, until he left the Braves and his career declined.

Andrew Jones was a lock, until he left the Braves and he became questionable

Chipper Jones stayed as he was a first balloter.

We'll have to see if the same thing happens to Freddie.

G1911 · #9 05-21-2022, 11:32 AM

David Wright hits the ballot in 2024. He�s got fantastic rate stats at an underrepresented position and is a New York favorite.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 05-21-2022, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911

David Wright hits the ballot in 2024. He�s got fantastic rate stats at an underrepresented position and is a New York favorite.

Just not seeing it as even a possibility.

Hall of Fame Statistics
Gray Ink
Batting - 88 (331), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting - 74 (283), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting - 36 (211), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS
Third Base (24th):
49.2 career WAR | 39.5 7yr-peak WAR | 44.3 JAWS | 5.0 WAR/162
Average HOF 3B (out of 15):
68.4 career WAR | 43.0 7yr-peak WAR | 55.7 JAWS | 5.1 WAR/162

Tabe · #11 05-21-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

David Wright hits the ballot in 2024. He�s got fantastic rate stats at an underrepresented position and is a New York favorite.

6000 ABs and 242 homers - when your contemporaries include the better Adrian Beltre - just ain't enough for a 3B.

vintagetoppsguy · #12 05-23-2022, 07:04 AM

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those cheating Astros

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

This is coming from a Yankee fan.

I think someone forgot to tell you that your Yankees did the exact same thing. But, hey, if you want to turn a blind eye and pretend it never happened, so be it.

Svabinsky78 · #13 09-09-2023, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Sabathia is pretty much Andy Pettitte, really good pitcher who falls a little short of being a HOFer. This is coming from a Yankee fan.

Ummm, yeah, no. He has about 700 more strikeouts than Pettite in about the same amount of seasons.....also has a Cy Young...plus, no HGH admission. So, yeah, he is not pretty much Andy Pettite. He is a lock.

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