T205 - The Elusive Gold Gilded Set

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Would it be easier to sort the 221 subjects in order according to avg price in VG condition and assign a point system that way? Price generally takes into account both demand and rarity.

Probably, but I guess I am one of those who like to make a molehill out of an anthill.

Brian

[nebboy]

Like what happening with point valuations.
Only ones I would add to consideration for increasing a point to is
Graham, Peaches - Cubs
Shean, David - Cubs
They don't come up much as other (2s) and most of the time demand is strong.

[T205 GB]

Great thread. Love it.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Great thread. Love it.

Glad you like it. In general, anyone with 'T205' in their Net54 ID should check over the list we have created and let us know if any adjustments should be made. It is almost required by law. And this applies for any of you out there with long term experience/interest in this set.

I am giving a few more days for input, until this weekend, and then will close it out and start up the promised T205 EGGS thread.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

I was contacted by an advanced T205 collector who shared with me their own T205 ranking system from multiple years back that utilized SGC power rankings for the cards as a base, and modified those values based upon experience with the set as well as consultation with at least 6 other advanced collectors, many of the names which I recognized from here. I was impressed with all of the effort that went into the decision making process, which is featured on a great website created by them that features the set. After poring over this list and info, I made adjustments to 13 cards, 7 with 1 point additions (E. Collins - mouth open, Crandall - 'T' not crossed, Graham - Cubs, Gray - stats on back, Hoblitzell - name correct, no Cin. after 1908, Latham - W.A. on back, and Shean - Cubs), 5 with 1 point subtractions (Johnson, Joss, Mathewson, Mathewson - incorrect stats, and Young), and 1 card with a 2 point subtraction (Hoblitzell - no stats on back). The 400 point total has been maintained with these changes.

I think the cement on this list has almost hardened...but you still have the chance to scratch your name or make a funny little drawing into it by providing your input. Below is the updated list, with the changes made from the previous list (shown in post #34) once again emboldened and emitalicized to emhance their newly emerged eminence, or conversely, their emdepreciation (somewhat of a stretch on that last one).

Thanks to Turner & Co., and here is a link to the T205 website: https://imageevent.com/babybingbaseball

Brian


Cards with EGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Bresnahan - mouth closed

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase - border on shirt

Chase - no border on shirt

Clarke, Fred

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Crandall, Otis - 'T' not crossed

Daubert, Jake

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dougherty - red sock

Dougherty - white sock

Duffy, Hugh

Dunn, Jack ML

Ford, Russ - white cap

Frick, James ML

Grant, Ed SP

Gray, Dolly - no stats

Griffith, Clarke

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. after 1908

Huggins, Miller

Jennings, Hugh

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

Marquard, Rube

McAllister, Sport ML

McGraw, John

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Suggs, George SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wallace, Bobby - with cap

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with EGS value of 3:

Baker, Frank

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Dahlen, Bill SP

Evers, Johnny

Fisher, Ray SP

Graham, George - Cubs

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. after 1908

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Raymond, Bugs SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Turner, Terry SP

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats


Cards with value of 4:

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Collins, Jimmy ML

Speaker, Tris

Walsh, Ed SP

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP


Cards with a value of 5:

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open

Gray, Dolly - stats on back

Mathewson, Christy

Moran, Pat - stray line of type


Cards with a value of 6 or more (EGGS value in parenthesis):

Cobb, Ty (12)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (18)

Johnson, Walter (6)

Joss, Addie SP (7)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (14)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (6)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (10)

Young, Cy (7)

[dabbuu]

What about Collins yellow elephant, Hoffman with stripe, White no quotes, Snodgrass missing decimal? These are some if the hardest cards in the set.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by dabbuu

What about Collins yellow elephant, Hoffman with stripe, White no quotes, Snodgrass missing decimal? These are some if the hardest cards in the set.

I have to admit that there is a whole world of additional variations not commonly identified by the collecting community. Here are the ones I discovered that are detailed in a prewarcards.com article, some already mentioned above:

Collins, Eddie - closed mouth w/yellow elephant

Graham, George - Rustlers w/blue signature

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D'

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B'

Snodgrass, Fred - missing decimal point on .405 batting average

White, Doc - no quotation marks on Doc


Any others known out there? I suggest on all of these less recognized variations that Speckled EGGS be awarded (otherwise known as an asterisk). So for example, if you have three of the above variations, you would have three asterisks beside your total.

The applicable saying could be as follows: You shouldn't put all your EGGS in the basket before they hatch"

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by nebboy

Like what happening with point valuations.
Only ones I would add to consideration for increasing a point to is
Graham, Peaches - Cubs
Shean, David - Cubs
They don't come up much as other (2s) and most of the time demand is strong.

John, thanks for the input. I also think that the Graham/Shean Cubs variations are some of the more popular of the 2 point cards I noted. I am not sure if they quite get the bump to 3-dom though. If others think they should come forward, and I will increase them. But I will have to deduct a total of two points elsewhere.

Brian