T205 - The Elusive Gold Gilded Set

[brianp-beme]

I was contacted by an advanced T205 collector who shared with me their own T205 ranking system from multiple years back that utilized SGC power rankings for the cards as a base, and modified those values based upon experience with the set as well as consultation with at least 6 other advanced collectors, many of the names which I recognized from here. I was impressed with all of the effort that went into the decision making process, which is featured on a great website created by them that features the set. After poring over this list and info, I made adjustments to 13 cards, 7 with 1 point additions (E. Collins - mouth open, Crandall - 'T' not crossed, Graham - Cubs, Gray - stats on back, Hoblitzell - name correct, no Cin. after 1908, Latham - W.A. on back, and Shean - Cubs), 5 with 1 point subtractions (Johnson, Joss, Mathewson, Mathewson - incorrect stats, and Young), and 1 card with a 2 point subtraction (Hoblitzell - no stats on back). The 400 point total has been maintained with these changes.

I think the cement on this list has almost hardened...but you still have the chance to scratch your name or make a funny little drawing into it by providing your input. Below is the updated list, with the changes made from the previous list (shown in post #34) once again emboldened and emitalicized to emhance their newly emerged eminence, or conversely, their emdepreciation (somewhat of a stretch on that last one).

Thanks to Turner & Co., and here is a link to the T205 website: https://imageevent.com/babybingbaseball

Brian


Cards with EGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Bresnahan - mouth closed

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase - border on shirt

Chase - no border on shirt

Clarke, Fred

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Crandall, Otis - 'T' not crossed

Daubert, Jake

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dougherty - red sock

Dougherty - white sock

Duffy, Hugh

Dunn, Jack ML

Ford, Russ - white cap

Frick, James ML

Grant, Ed SP

Gray, Dolly - no stats

Griffith, Clarke

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. after 1908

Huggins, Miller

Jennings, Hugh

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

Marquard, Rube

McAllister, Sport ML

McGraw, John

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Suggs, George SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wallace, Bobby - with cap

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with EGS value of 3:

Baker, Frank

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Dahlen, Bill SP

Evers, Johnny

Fisher, Ray SP

Graham, George - Cubs

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. after 1908

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Raymond, Bugs SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Turner, Terry SP

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats


Cards with value of 4:

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Collins, Jimmy ML

Speaker, Tris

Walsh, Ed SP

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP


Cards with a value of 5:

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open

Gray, Dolly - stats on back

Mathewson, Christy

Moran, Pat - stray line of type


Cards with a value of 6 or more (EGGS value in parenthesis):

Cobb, Ty (12)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (18)

Johnson, Walter (6)

Joss, Addie SP (7)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (14)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (6)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (10)

Young, Cy (7)

[dabbuu]

What about Collins yellow elephant, Hoffman with stripe, White no quotes, Snodgrass missing decimal? These are some if the hardest cards in the set.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by dabbuu

What about Collins yellow elephant, Hoffman with stripe, White no quotes, Snodgrass missing decimal? These are some if the hardest cards in the set.

I have to admit that there is a whole world of additional variations not commonly identified by the collecting community. Here are the ones I discovered that are detailed in a prewarcards.com article, some already mentioned above:

Collins, Eddie - closed mouth w/yellow elephant

Graham, George - Rustlers w/blue signature

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D'

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B'

Snodgrass, Fred - missing decimal point on .405 batting average

White, Doc - no quotation marks on Doc


Any others known out there? I suggest on all of these less recognized variations that Speckled EGGS be awarded (otherwise known as an asterisk). So for example, if you have three of the above variations, you would have three asterisks beside your total.

The applicable saying could be as follows: You shouldn't put all your EGGS in the basket before they hatch"

Brian

[dabbuu]

I think you have a full list now

[Alexcards]

Not sure if you T205 fans have notice but CSG is now adding the back variation on T205s!!!!! I'm not sure what took so long... this should have been a no brainer from the very beginning.... shame on PSA ... This should be an automatic.

[Wite3]

Well...overall I think this is fairly accurate although I would add a point to the following...

Grant (very tough card and popular due to military service)
Wilhelm "suffe ed" (popular and tougher than people think)
Suggs (very tough)
Rowan (also very tough)


Everything else seems in line with my research...my two cents.

Joshua

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Well...overall I think this is fairly accurate although I would add a point to the following...

Grant (very tough card and popular due to military service)
Wilhelm "suffe ed" (popular and tougher than people think)
Suggs (very tough)
Rowan (also very tough)


Everything else seems in line with my research...my two cents.

Joshua

When I think of a T205 collector, Joshua comes first to my mind. Grant, Wilhelm - suffe ed, and Suggs also correspond to suggestions I have from another long term collector/researcher that has contacted me about potential adjustments, so I will definitely be making the points move on those 3. I will be dropping down Baker, Bresnahan - mouth open, and Young by one point each to make things 400 point appropriate. Still some other suggestions from this other collector that I need to go over on the list...it is getting about as close to solidification as a jar of honey set outside in cold weather (actually not sure about my analogy. Got to look it up on Google).

Brian