Gun ownership poll

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Just my opinion but subjects like this have no real conversations going on. You have people posting their very biased opinions. No one is going to change that opinion so threads like this turn into name calling because we all believe we are correct and others are idiots on the subject.

Personally I enjoy reading them as humor and the silly/funny pictures add to that enjoyment. I am 53 if that matters.

I don't know about this. I'm a gun owner and I'm actually starting to change my mind on parts of the debate. For example, would it be terrible to have to be 21 to buy a gun?

I think that when you have to write your opinion, as opposed to shouting it on tv, it's more likely to influence others' opinions - at least those who know how to read and are willing to read opposing views. I actually enjoy these threads once in a while.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I don't know about this. I'm a gun owner and I'm actually starting to change my mind on parts of the debate. For example, would it be terrible to have to be 21 to buy a gun?

I think that when you have to write your opinion, as opposed to shouting it on tv, it's more likely to influence others' opinions - at least those who know how to read and are willing to read opposing views. I actually enjoy these threads once in a while.

+1. A thoughtful, reasoned opinion can often sway me.

I'm an NRA member but think 21 sounds reasonable too. I also think it wouldn't keep guns out of the hands of teenagers. Cocaine is illegal everywhere and has been for decades. Yet it's quite readily available nationwide (so I hear.) Passing more laws does not mean the bad guys will obey them. Still, we need reasonable laws.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

+1. A thoughtful, reasoned opinion can often sway me.

I'm an NRA member but think 21 sounds reasonable too. I also think it wouldn't keep guns out of the hands of teenagers. Cocaine is illegal everywhere and has been for decades. Yet it's quite readily available nationwide (so I hear.) Passing more laws does not mean the bad guys will obey them. Still, we need reasonable laws.

For me the bold part is the big thing most that want more gun laws just don't understand. Bad people do not obey laws and they are the problem.

About the only new law I would be for is making everyone take gun safety courses to be a gun owner. That is just to help keep the honest people from accidently shooting each other.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bnorth

For me the bold part is the big thing most that want more gun laws just don't understand. Bad people do not obey laws and they are the problem.

About the only new law I would be for is making everyone take gun safety courses to be a gun owner. That is just to help keep the honest people from accidently shooting each other.

Understood. I hope and think most thoughtful people on the left understand this. Sort of a don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good situation though.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I think that when you have to write your opinion, as opposed to shouting it on tv, it's more likely to influence others' opinions - at least those who know how to read and are willing to read opposing views. I actually enjoy these threads once in a while.

+2. I have shifted my opinion on many subjects because I found a better, more logical argument than I had crafted myself.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I don't know about this. I'm a gun owner and I'm actually starting to change my mind on parts of the debate. For example, would it be terrible to have to be 21 to buy a gun?

I think that when you have to write your opinion, as opposed to shouting it on tv, it's more likely to influence others' opinions - at least those who know how to read and are willing to read opposing views. I actually enjoy these threads once in a while.

+3! I've found this thread mostly respectful and have learned a few things.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

+3! I've found this thread mostly respectful and have learned a few things.

I understand where the poster was coming from that big issue discussions don’t typically change minds but guns might be different. Abortion, death penalty, those probably don’t go anywhere. With guns, there might be a chance of reaching a better position than the one we’re in. I think the basic starting point is the right needs to understand the left doesn’t want to take away all of their guns. The left needs to understand the right isn’t in favor of mass shootings or even singular, unjustified shootings. We have a long history of gun ownership and there are an abundance of guns in this country. So both sides need to see if there are changes that can be made that result in a net benefit without all of the demonizing of the other side.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I think the basic starting point is the right needs to understand the left doesn’t want to take away all of their guns.

When high ranking lawmakers talk about repealing the 2nd Amendment, this is EXACTLY where they are going.

[jbhofmann]

Originally Posted by Mark17

When high ranking lawmakers talk about repealing the 2nd Amendment, this is EXACTLY where they are going.

Repealing an amendment is possibly the hardest political action in America.


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[Carter08]

Originally Posted by jbhofmann

Repealing an amendment is possibly the hardest political action in America.


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Agree. It’s just not happening. But the fear mongering of what the left is up to is preventing positive change. Although I have to admit some on the left so not do well when they use big rhetoric. This is an across the aisles opportunity for a step forward.

[G1911]

As a Californian, I see every legislative season that they absolutely are in fact trying to ban guns and/or take my property/turn me into an overnight felon. There is no subtlety in it at all and they are very direct about this. It is even a criminal act for me to stop for lunch on my way to the range now because I have a scary looking rifle. A surprising conservative stay order by the 2nd circuit is the only reason hundreds of thousands or millions of Californians are not yet overnight felons for their legally possessed magazines.

There's not really much of an across the aisles compromise here in this framework - one side is demanding the other cede constitutionally protected liberties in exchange for nothing. A compromise involves both sides getting something. I haven't heard of a proposal, for example, to raise the age of ownership to 21, abolish PPT's, force training before a purchase and a mandatory waiting period but to abolish the NFA restrictions after one has gone through all this. The 'give up X this time but get nothing' that has been the way this has gone since 1934 is not a compromise. An actual across-the-aisle compromise would be interesting to hear and consider, but I doubt will ever happen.