Gun ownership poll

bnorth · #1 06-11-2022, 07:05 PM

I found these numbers interesting.

From the FBI in 2019.
Homicides by handgun 6365 that was 45.7% of all homicides
Rifles killed 364 or 2.6% of all homicides
600 people died from beatings without weapons or 4.3% of all homicides
knifes killed 1476 or 10.6% of all homicides

The percentage of handgun murders did not shock me. The number of deaths being almost double from no weapon beatings to deaths by rifle kinda shocked me. Also knifes killed around 4 times as many as rifles.

I would be all in for safety courses being required to own guns. Most of the other laws we actually already have.

cgjackson222 · #2 06-11-2022, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I found these numbers interesting.

From the FBI in 2019.
Homicides by handgun 6365 that was 45.7% of all homicides
Rifles killed 364 or 2.6% of all homicides
600 people died from beatings without weapons or 4.3% of all homicides
knifes killed 1476 or 10.6% of all homicides

The percentage of handgun murders did not shock me. The number of deaths being almost double from no weapon beatings to deaths by rifle kinda shocked me. Also knifes killed around 4 times as many as rifles.

I would be all in for safety courses being required to own guns. Most of the other laws we actually already have.

I saw similar statistis. Note that there are thousands from "Firearms, type not stated" that do not fall in the handgun or rifle category:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/

Do you think some of the thousands of homicides category are from rifles?

How many of the knife deaths were accidental?

bnorth · #3 06-11-2022, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I saw similar statistis. Note that there are thousands from "Firearms, type not stated" that do not fall in the handgun or rifle category:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...y-weapon-used/

Do you think some of the thousands of homicides category are from rifles?

How many of the knife deaths were accidental?

The unknown firearm showed 3326 or 23.9%. My guess since it is unknown is likely very very small percentage of rifles with the majority being handguns.

I hope the FBI would not be using accidents with knifes as homicides. I did notice in one of your links that gun suicides went down but knife suicides went up after the gun ban. Same outcome just a different tool.

G1911 · #4 06-11-2022, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

The unknown firearm showed 3326 or 23.9%. My guess since it is unknown is likely very very small percentage of rifles with the majority being handguns.

I hope the FBI would not be using accidents with knifes as homicides. I did notice in one of your links that gun suicides went down but knife suicides went up after the gun ban. Same outcome just a different tool.

Handguns: 8,029
Rifles: 455
Shotguns: 203
Unknown type: 4,863

I agree we can apply common sense. Most of these unknown are going to be handguns, probably in similar ration to the known ones. The majority of these are probably .22lr shootings where it can't be determined because it could have been fired from either a rifle or a pistol; whereas most calibers tend to be 90%+ a rifle or a pistol.

Carter08 · #5 06-11-2022, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

Handguns: 8,029
Rifles: 455
Shotguns: 203
Unknown type: 4,863

I agree we can apply common sense. Most of these unknown are going to be handguns, probably in similar ration to the known ones. The majority of these are probably .22lr shootings where it can't be determined because it could have been fired from either a rifle or a pistol; whereas most calibers tend to be 90%+ a rifle or a pistol.

Less worried about handguns in terms of my and other kids� safety. Situations can largely be avoided. Always a threat of course. Most worried about a mass shooting. Wish we could all agree that it would be best to restrict ARs because that�s what is being used, not handguns.

And the good guy with a gun to stop a psycho with an AR. Unless he has a kid in the room, my guess is he or she pusses out. No offense to you responsible gun owners but if the situation becomes real I doubt you�re taking a bullet for my kid.

G1911 · #6 06-11-2022, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

Less worried about handguns in terms of my and other kids� safety. Situations can largely be avoided. Always a threat of course. Most worried about a mass shooting. Wish we could all agree that it would be best to restrict ARs because that�s what is being used, not handguns.

And the good guy with a gun to stop a psycho with an AR. Unless he has a kid in the room, my guess is he or she pusses out. No offense to you responsible gun owners but if the situation becomes real I doubt you�re taking a bullet for my kid.

The statistics do not align with your concerns though. You can worry about whatever, we all do to some extent, but I don�t see why I should be criminalized because of a concern you have that is not only not founded in statistics but is in direct opposition to it. I do not see how you can possibly avoid being shot with a handgun but not a rifle by avoiding bad situations.

I don�t see why anyone would expect gun owners to leap, movie style, in front of a bullet to save your kid and take a bullet. What they can do is shoot back and maybe end the threat much faster. Like the NRA instructor in Texas who grabbed his AR-15 when he heard a church shooting, chased down and killed the gunman who was moving to location 2 to continue his slaughter. I don�t see why public policy should be based on the fear one side has without regard to its rationality.

I don�t see why anyone on the gun side would consider this some sort of fair compromise or across the aisle opportunity, being criminalizing based on a fear you have that is not in accord with any evidence.

CollectingAmericasPastime · #7 06-11-2022, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carter08

Less worried about handguns in terms of my and other kids� safety. Situations can largely be avoided. Always a threat of course. Most worried about a mass shooting. Wish we could all agree that it would be best to restrict ARs because that�s what is being used, not handguns.

And the good guy with a gun to stop a psycho with an AR. Unless he has a kid in the room, my guess is he or she pusses out. No offense to you responsible gun owners but if the situation becomes real I doubt you�re taking a bullet for my kid.

What an absolute slap to the face of every single person who has died for this country - first responders and military members.

The police response to the Uvalde shooting was putrid, but it's also highly questionable and needs investigating rather than chalking them up to being pansies.

Find the right people to do the job, and you'll have the right protection.

Carter08 · #8 06-11-2022, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

What an absolute slap to the face of every single person who has died for this country - first responders and military members.

The police response to the Uvalde shooting was putrid, but it's also highly questionable and needs investigating rather than chalking them up to being pansies.

Find the right people to do the job, and you'll have the right protection.

What an absolute slap? That�s the rhetoric that is just silly. I could stand on the same high horse and talk about why you�re not thinking about all of the kids that have died in mass shootings.

BCauley · #9 06-11-2022, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

What an absolute slap to the face of every single person who has died for this country - first responders and military members.

Spare me the BS propaganda. The whole “I give a damn about our law enforcement and military” is nothing more than political talking points and/or virtue signaling.

As someone who has worked as a corrections officer (no weapon on duty), served in the Army conducting ~75 combat missions, gone through extensive training on/with an M4 rifle and an M9 pistol, and know what the weapons can do, go pound sand.

So sick and tired of people using veterans/law enforcement as a talking point.

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