1967 Topps 6th Series

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Interesting. We now know 3 cards in one of the rows because of Cliff's images - MERRITT/SANTIAGO/PALMER.

For what it's worth:

In Dave's eBay count, Palmer is far and away #1 with 53. Santiago and Merritt are barely in the upper half with 16 and 15 respectively (not accounting for ties).

I checked the PSA Pop Report, and Palmer leads the pack with more than 1300 for clear reasons. Merritt is in the upper 1/4 with 307, and Santiago is in the lower half with 239.

I did a quick check of COMC, and all 3 are in the upper third with between 8 and 15 of each.

For the most part, the other pairs Cliff posted are all fairly close in counts on the eBay list.

I'm re-running the survey, something was not right with eBay on 6/9 and I'm getting vastly different results today. Will post when complete.

[Cliff Bowman]

I found three new ones to add, 471 Rene Lachemann is to the left of 516 Giants Team card (only two cards in Series 6 have a five year stat line, Lachemann and Fritz Peterson, the lines match up with Lachemann), 532 Jim Hicks is to the left of 517 Fred Talbot (six cards in the Series have a 12 year stat line, the lines match up with Hicks and not the other five), and 458 Lee Thomas is to the right of 525 Ron Hunt (I matched the out of register photo on the right edge of the Ron Hunt card to the left edge of a Lee Thomas card).

[G1911]

Nice work on Lachemann. I’m digging and trying to find some more that might help.

Every series of Topps cards still unknown should be doable to map via this method and some patience.

[Kevvyg1026]

I suppose you are right. However, Cliff & I have been working for over a year on 1966 Series 5 and there are 4-5 card placements yet to be identified and this is with a bunch of uncut and miscut material available.

For 1966 series 3, a supposedly easy series because there are no SPs, we still have several cards that require adjacent cards to be located. And both the 7th series from 1969 and the 6th series from 1965 are proving extremely problematic to reconstruct because there is so little uncut or miscut material.

[toppcat]

Here's a corrected card count from yesterday off eBay. No idea what was going on there last week but the results were completely off. This may be more helpful: H=HOF, C=Cardinals, R=Red Sox, Y=Yankees. At a guess, one row may be "super printed". 76 subjects plus a 6th series checklist (not counted) on there.

CARD COUNT PLAYER DES
475 195 PALMER H
464 106 COOMBS
496 105 McFARLANE
503 101 DODGERS TEAM
494 94 RIGNEY
500 92 MARICHAL H
480 91 McCOVEY H
532 91 HICKS
504 89 MARTINEZ
476 84 PEREZ H
459 80 SENATORS ROOKIES
483 80 LANDIS
491 72 BOWENS
510 70 MAZEROSKI H
511 70 WERT
519 61 DAVIDSON
499 60 INDIANS ROOKIES
517 60 TALBOT Y
527 60 RIBANT
525 58 HUNT
530 57 F. ALOU
458 55 THOMAS
524 54 MANTILLA
523 52 MERRITT
533 52 FISHER
460 50 KILLEBREW H
518 50 MENKE
520 48 ALVIS
479 46 BELL
509 45 KING
526 43 TIGERS ROOKIES
507 42 ORIOLES ROOKIES
487 41 REYNOLDS
465 39 HORTON
506 39 BURGESS
469 38 GABRIELSON
528 38 PETROCELLI R
521 37 BIRD BOMBERS
473 36 SANTIAGO R
485 34 McCARVER C
501 34 ZIMMERMAN
516 34 GIANTS TEAM
513 31 LOPEZ
466 30 WINE
512 30 SCHOENDIENST C H
514 30 WERHAS
515 30 CAMPANERIS
492 29 PIRATES TEAM
498 29 DIERKER
531 28 7TH CHECKLIST
463 27 HILL ACES
467 26 O'TOOLE
481 26 DUROCHER H
495 26 PETERSON Y
529 26 WAGNER
470 25 SHAW
482 25 MONBOUQUETTE
505 25 HELMS
461 24 MILLER
474 24 TOLAN C
493 24 ORTEGA
502 24 GRIFFITH
484 23 ADAIR
508 23 HALL
462 22 BARTON
468 22 HOUK Y
472 22 PIRATES ROOKIES
477 22 BRAVES TEAM
497 22 CAMPBELL
471 21 LACHEMANN
478 21 HUMPHREYS
489 19 CLEMENS
490 18 CLONINGER
522 17 STEPHENSON
488 16 ARRIGO
486 15 TWINS ROOKIES
TOTAL 3,505

AVERAGE 46

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by toppcat

CARD COUNT PLAYER DES
475 195 PALMER H
464 106 COOMBS
496 105 McFARLANE
503 101 DODGERS TEAM
494 94 RIGNEY
500 92 MARICHAL H
480 91 McCOVEY H
532 91 HICKS
504 89 MARTINEZ
476 84 PEREZ H
459 80 SENATORS ROOKIES
483 80 LANDIS
491 72 BOWENS
510 70 MAZEROSKI H
511 70 WERT
519 61 DAVIDSON
499 60 INDIANS ROOKIES
517 60 TALBOT Y
527 60 RIBANT
525 58 HUNT
530 57 F. ALOU
458 55 THOMAS
524 54 MANTILLA
523 52 MERRITT
533 52 FISHER
460 50 KILLEBREW H
518 50 MENKE
520 48 ALVIS
479 46 BELL
509 45 KING
526 43 TIGERS ROOKIES
507 42 ORIOLES ROOKIES
487 41 REYNOLDS
465 39 HORTON
506 39 BURGESS
469 38 GABRIELSON
528 38 PETROCELLI R
521 37 BIRD BOMBERS
473 36 SANTIAGO R
485 34 McCARVER C
501 34 ZIMMERMAN
516 34 GIANTS TEAM
513 31 LOPEZ
466 30 WINE
512 30 SCHOENDIENST C H
514 30 WERHAS
515 30 CAMPANERIS
492 29 PIRATES TEAM
498 29 DIERKER
531 28 7TH CHECKLIST
463 27 HILL ACES
467 26 O'TOOLE
481 26 DUROCHER H
495 26 PETERSON Y
529 26 WAGNER
470 25 SHAW
482 25 MONBOUQUETTE
505 25 HELMS
461 24 MILLER
474 24 TOLAN C
493 24 ORTEGA
502 24 GRIFFITH
484 23 ADAIR
508 23 HALL
462 22 BARTON
468 22 HOUK Y
472 22 PIRATES ROOKIES
477 22 BRAVES TEAM
497 22 CAMPBELL
471 21 LACHEMANN
478 21 HUMPHREYS
489 19 CLEMENS
490 18 CLONINGER
522 17 STEPHENSON
488 16 ARRIGO
486 15 TWINS ROOKIES
TOTAL 3,505

AVERAGE 46

Palmer is far and away the most numerous card in the Series but the two cards next to it in the same row are Merritt and Santiago, Merritt is roughly in the DP 4x range but Santiago is almost in the SP 3x range, going by quantities.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Palmer is far and away the most numerous card in the Series but the two cards next to it in the same row are Merritt and Santiago, Merritt is roughly in the DP 4x range but Santiago is almost in the SP 3x range, going by quantities.

As noted, a few days ago PSA pops were 307 for Merritt and 239 for Santiago. There must be some other factor at work, such as centering or sheet position in general that plays out in this as the ratio is pretty similar; maybe the fuglier Santiago's, as an example, don't get listed as they are really bad.

It seems like the Coombs and Rigney should be in a "super print" row, while Palmer as a HOF skews some numbers in the Merritt/Santiago row but that Palmer is really popular to grade for some reason and I don't think there is a true super-print row in the semi's based on the numbers I show below. I still suspect the 67 highs had a production issue that really changed the planned row counts (which ended up issued as: 1x5, 1x4, 3x5) but the semi's were not similarly affected.

If you take the HOF'ers out for a minute, the top 11 counts are (with eBay to the left, PSA pops to the right):

Coombs 106 - 199
McFarlane 105 - 295
Dodgers Team 101 - 523
Rigney 94 - 230
Hicks 91 - 245
Martinez 89 - 276
Senators Rookies 80 - 260
Landis 80 - 303
Bowens 72 - 259
Wert 70 - 253
Davidson 61 - 237

The Dodgers Team probably skews due to Koufax being in the team picture. But Hicks (91) is in a row with Menke (60) and Talbot (50), whose PSA pops are: 245, 253 and 279 respectively. That is a major eBay disparity on Hicks, like Palmer's. Maybe there's commons that are so lowly literally nobody buys them?

Conversely, the bottom 11 counts are:

Twins Rookies 15 - 235
Arrigo 16 - 227
Stephenson 17 - 265
Cloninger 18-235
Clemens 19 - 227
Humphreys 21 - 225
Lachemann 21 - 194
Campbell 22 - 194
Braves Team 22 -251
Pirates Rookies 22 - 196
Houk 22-317


33 x 4 and 44 x 3 is probably the row setup for the semi's then.