Gun ownership poll

G1911 · #1 06-13-2022, 06:59 PM

The proposition to criminalize half the country for possessing post civil war common-use technology or to effectively eradicate the 2nd for non-billionaires by instituting a tax 10,000 times the cost of the item, which are the last proposals presented, is extreme.

I�d still love to hear why some think criminals (I understand not all, but apparently the belief is many of them) will simply not use illegal items that are common place. There�s many magazines-over-5 for every person. They are everywhere.

What am I supposed to do if I am restricted to pre-Civil War firearms technology (or none at all, due to a 10,000x tax) if I have a home invasion, as absolutely happens, again? This ban is going to make the criminal just give up his gun and we�re back to an even footing? I sure hope the guy(s) breaking in mean no harm, as it�s going to take me a few minutes to remove my Flintlock from the safe and push a ball down the muzzle.

How does criminalizing half the country actually make anyone safer? I see the obvious political gain of doing so. Guns exist. No law is getting rid of most or even many of the 400,000,000 guns. How do we think they are going to just disappear?

cgjackson222 · #2 06-13-2022, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

How does criminalizing half the country actually make anyone safer? I see the obvious political gain of doing so. Guns exist. No law is getting rid of most or even many of the 400,000,000 guns. How do we think they are going to just disappear?

You've repeated the claim that half the country is going to be criminalized half a dozen times. Are there actually any legislative proposals that would do this?
If you ban future 18 year-olds from purchasing a semi-automatic weapon, that does not criminalize people that already own such weapons.

While I think that having a mandatory buyback of semi-automatic weapons would help make our country safer, no one is proposing this. We are not Australia--there just isn't the political will for such a measure and I think almost everyone knows it.

You are correct that no law is getting rid of most or even many of the 400 million guns in our country. And no proposed law is attempting to. No one thinks all guns are going to disappear.

I imagine you are going to come back with the slippery slope argument, that if we given an inch, anti-gun people will take a mile. But I just don't that's politically possible or even realistic to consider.

G1911 · #3 06-13-2022, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222

You've repeated the claim that half the country is going to be criminalized half a dozen times. Are there actually any legislative proposals that would do this?
If you ban future 18 year-olds from purchasing a semi-automatic weapon, that does not criminalize people that already own such weapons.

While I think that having a mandatory buyback of semi-automatic weapons would help make our country safer, no one is proposing this. We are not Australia--there just isn't the political will for such a measure and I think almost everyone knows it.

You are correct that no law is getting rid of most or even many of the 400 million guns in our country. And no proposed law is attempting to. No one thinks all guns are going to disappear.

I imagine you are going to come back with the slippery slope argument, that if we given an inch, anti-gun people will take a mile. But I just don't that's politically possible or even realistic to consider.

I am speaking of your proposal you made. What do you think banning a magazine over 5 does? Basically every gun owner in America becomes a felon.

cgjackson222 · #4 06-13-2022, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

I am speaking of your proposal you made. What do you think banning a magazine over 5 does? Basically every gun owner in America becomes a felon.

There is proposed legislation that is considering banning FUTURE sales of magazines with over 5 rounds.

This would not make it illegal for people that already own these guns/magazines to continue to own them. Do you actually think someone has proposed a law that requires people to give up their pistols that have 5 rounds?

steve B · #5 06-17-2022, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjackson222

You've repeated the claim that half the country is going to be criminalized half a dozen times. Are there actually any legislative proposals that would do this?
If you ban future 18 year-olds from purchasing a semi-automatic weapon, that does not criminalize people that already own such weapons.

While I think that having a mandatory buyback of semi-automatic weapons would help make our country safer, no one is proposing this. We are not Australia--there just isn't the political will for such a measure and I think almost everyone knows it.

You are correct that no law is getting rid of most or even many of the 400 million guns in our country. And no proposed law is attempting to. No one thinks all guns are going to disappear.

I imagine you are going to come back with the slippery slope argument, that if we given an inch, anti-gun people will take a mile. But I just don't that's politically possible or even realistic to consider.

I don't agree with making a buyback mandatory. As an example, I know someone who did/does target shooting. They have an M1, military surplus going back to the 40's, that the government still makes available for civilian marksmanship programs. It was his fathers, and has had some serious work done to it that makes it far more accurate than a stock example. Duplicating that would require well over a thousand dollars. (I used it once, it made a very average rifle shooter into a slightly above average one. The benefit to a competetive shooter would be substantial)

Forcing him to sell that to the government for destruction at the pittance they would offer? No, that makes no sense at all.

Add in that a huge percentage of guns used for hunting are semi automatic, including other publicly sold M1s and you've done most gun owners a disservice, as well as providing a major setback to wildlife management.

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