E91 scans matched up with scans of cards from other sets

[brianp-beme]

I had a request from another member if I could provide info on the 33 designs in the E91A, and how they relate to the E91B and E91C sets. So I have created the list below (which was basically pulled from the article on the set in Lew Lipsets' great The Encylopedia of Baseball Cards book). The '(A)' in the below list refers to the player and designation as seen in the E91A set, the '(B)' going across on the same line is the same design as seen in E91B set, and the '(C)' refers to the same design as seen in the E91C set.

The * on the Murphy E91B entry below is to point out (which in turn was originally pointed out to me by Ben G) that although the designation for Murphy from the E91A set was repeated in the E91B set, the makers decided to utilize the artwork associated with Seybold in the E91A set for Murphy in the E91B set, and made Eddie Collins the player in E91B associated with the E91A artwork design for Murphy. It wouldn't be a vintage baseball card set without at least one curveball thrown.

Brian


(A) Davis - A's .... (B) Davis - A's .... (C) Donohue - Senators

(A) Murphy - A's .... (B) E. Collins - A's .... (C) Delehanty - Senators

(A) J. Collins - A's .... (B) Baker - A's .... (C) Conroy - Senators

(A) Nichols - A's .... (B) Barry - A's .... (C) McBride - Senators

(A) Seybold - A's .... (B) Murphy - A's* .... (C) Unglaub - Senators

(A) Oldring - A's .... (B) Ganley - A's .... (C) Milan - Senators

(A) Hartsel - A's .... (B) Hartsel - A's .... (C) Browne - Senators

(A) Schrenckengost - A's .... (B) Thomas - A's .... (C) Street - Senators

(A) Waddell - A's .... (B) Krause - A's .... (C) Johnson - Senators

(A) Bender - A's .... (B) Bender - A's .... (C) Groom - Senators

(A) Plank - A's .... (B) Plank - A's .... (C) Hughes - Senators


(A) Tenney - Giants .... (B) Tenney - Giants .... (C) Stahl - Red Sox

(A) Shay - Giants .... (B) Doyle - Giants .... (C) McConnell - Red Sox

(A) Devlin - Giants .... (B) Devlin - Giants .... (C) Lord - Red Sox

(A) Bridwell - Giants .... (B) Bridwell - Giants .... (C) Wagner - Red Sox

(A) McGraw - Giants .... (B) McGraw - Giants .... (C) Hooper - Red Sox

(A) Donlin - Giants .... (B) Donlin - Giants .... (C) Speaker - Red Sox

(A) Seymour - Giants .... (B) Seymour - Giants .... (C) Niles - Red Sox

(A) Bresnahan - Giants .... (B) Meyers - Giants .... (C) Donahue - Red Sox

(A) Taylor - Giants .... (B) Murray - Giants .... (C) Karger - Red Sox

(A) McGinnity - Giants .... (B) Marquard - Giants .... (C) Wood - Red Sox

(A) Mathewson - Giants .... (B) Mathewson - Giants .... (C) Chech - Red Sox


(A) Chance - Cubs .... (B) Chance - Cubs .... (C) Storke - Pirates

(A) Evers - Cubs .... (B) Evers - Cubs .... (C) Miller - Pirates

(A) Steinfeldt - Cubs .... (B) Steinfeldt - Cubs .... (C) Barbeau - Pirates

(A) Tinker - Cubs .... (B) Tinker - Cubs .... (C) Wagner - Pirates

(A) Schulte - Cubs .... (B) Schulte - Cubs .... (C) Wilson - Pirates

(A) Slagle - Cubs .... (B) Hoffman - Cubs .... (C) Leach - Pirates

(A) Sheckard - Cubs .... (B) Sheckard - Cubs .... (C) Clarke - Pirates

(A) Kling - Cubs .... (B) Archer - Cubs .... (C) Gibson - Pirates

(A) Reulbach - Cubs .... (B) Reulbach - Cubs .... (C) Phillipi - Pirates

(A) Brown - Cubs .... (B) Brown - Cubs .... (C) Willis - Pirates

(A) Overall - Cubs .... (B) Overall - Cubs .... (C) Leever - Pirates

[nolemmings]

Thanks Brian. FWIW, I would point out that E91-C was most likely issued in 1909 and not 1910 as is commonly believed. There is also a sort of anomaly in E91-C that I don't recall having been discussed before-- the Red Sox checklist includes both Charley Chech and Ed Karger, who were never teammates and in fact were traded for each other in July 1909. It seems strange that Chech was not replaced by Frank Arellanes or Eddie Cicotte, either of whom was more prominent on the Sox pitching staff. I mean it's not like they were in need of a proper depiction for those two players, since they already were re-using the images of the E91-A Giants.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Thanks Brian. FWIW, I would point out that E91-C was most likely issued in 1909 and not 1910 as is commonly believed. There is also a sort of anomaly in E91-C that I don't recall having been discussed before-- the Red Sox checklist includes both Charley Chech and Ed Karger, who were never teammates and in fact were traded for each other in July 1909. It seems strange that Chech was not replaced by Frank Arellanes or Eddie Cicotte, either of whom was more prominent on the Sox pitching staff. I mean it's not like they were in need of a proper depiction for those two players, since they already were re-using the images of the E91-A Giants.

Todd, that is interesting about the Chech and Karger in the E91C set...one would think that the trade of Chech away from the Red Sox would have triggered his ouster from the set, since the Red Sox's acquisition of Karger got Karger included (sometime after the July 26th trade).

Brian

[benge610]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Thanks Brian. FWIW, I would point out that E91-C was most likely issued in 1909 and not 1910 as is commonly believed. There is also a sort of anomaly in E91-C that I don't recall having been discussed before-- the Red Sox checklist includes both Charley Chech and Ed Karger, who were never teammates and in fact were traded for each other in July 1909. It seems strange that Chech was not replaced by Frank Arellanes or Eddie Cicotte, either of whom was more prominent on the Sox pitching staff. I mean it's not like they were in need of a proper depiction for those two players, since they already were re-using the images of the E91-A Giants.

Good stuff Todd.
Thanks for sharing with the class.
Ben

"I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards."

[benge610]

To your, "E91 Murphy" point;
the first image, was Seibold; from the A set.
the second image was Murphy from the A set, now E. Collins.
the third image was actually Murphy from the A set.

Ben

"I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards."

[jamest206]

What can I say, this is an impressive post!!!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by jamest206

What can I say, this is an impressive post!!!

Thanks...kind of a pet project of mine. Shortly I will post images of a few examples of the same design as seen in sets A, B, and C. I will show both instances; where the designation remained the same in the E91B, and when it changed in E91B.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

The first two scans (of nine cards each) show examples of the same design through the E91A, B, and C sets, from left to right, respectively. The A and B examples of these cards that share the same player designation on the front are exactly the same, just have different set checklists on the back.

The second group of two scans show examples of the same design where the player designation was changed in both the E91B and E91C sets.

Brian

[benge610]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I had a request from another member if I could provide info on the 33 designs in the E91A, and how they relate to the E91B and E91C sets. So I have created the list below (which was basically pulled from the article on the set in Lew Lipsets' great The Encylopedia of Baseball Cards book). The '(A)' in the below list refers to the player and designation as seen in the E91A set, the '(B)' going across on the same line is the same design as seen in E91B set, and the '(C)' refers to the same design as seen in the E91C set.

The * on the Murphy E91B entry below is to point out (which in turn was originally pointed out to me by Ben G) that although the designation for Murphy from the E91A set was repeated in the E91B set, the makers decided to utilize the artwork associated with Seybold in the E91A set for Murphy in the E91B set, and made Eddie Collins the player in E91B associated with the E91A artwork design for Murphy. It wouldn't be a vintage baseball card set without at least one curveball thrown.

Brian

Thank you Brian for generating this finished document; it looks so much better than my marked up list, kinda made from scratch.
Many thanks!
Ben

"I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards."

[BioCRN]

E91-A Kling seems to be based on Carl Horner photo also seen on a 1902 Sporting Life cabinet, 1906 Fan Craze, and T206 (amongst others).

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

E91-A Kling seems to be based on Carl Horner photo also seen on a 1902 Sporting Life cabinet, 1906 Fan Craze, and T206 (amongst others).

Horner was the photo source seen in many cards in the early 1900's sets. Here is that E91A Kling with a T206 Kling for comparison...to me it is evident that the facial image is drawn from the same source as was the T206.

Brian

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Horner was the photo source seen in many cards in the early 1900's sets. Here is that E91A Kling with a T206 Kling for comparison...to me it is evident that the facial image is drawn from the same source as was the T206.

Brian

Yeah, you can see the full image in the 1902 Sporting Life (W600), a cropped version in the 1906 Fan Craze, and the touched-up E91-A (body drawn) and T206 (Cubs on jersey). [Not my images, though I do own a Fan Craze and T206]

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Yeah, you can see the full image in the 1902 Sporting Life (W600), a cropped version in the 1906 Fan Craze, and the touched-up E91-A (body drawn) and T206 (Cubs on jersey). [Not my images, though I do own a Fan Craze and T206]

Nice...thanks for sharing all those card images!

Brian