Sam Thompson value

joed25 · #1 07-08-2022, 01:14 PM

Thank you Keith! Amazing info.

joed25 · #2 07-08-2022, 02:28 PM

I am going to post it on eBay for him with a high price and a best offer option and see if there is any interest.

FrankWakefield · #3 07-08-2022, 10:54 PM

If you list it on eBay, post a link here, please, so we can follow it.

What does it cost to list something for 75k, if it doesn't sell???

I still think nailing down provenance first would really help an eBay sell. Rushing to sell it before that is a bit of a flag, maybe.

Keith H. Thompson · #4 07-09-2022, 08:46 AM

that we have yet to learn of any provenance, and we should, to help in establishing the origin of this "portrait." Sam Thompson is a dead on target for forgers, and I could cite several examples where genuine, period items have been elaborately embellished with purported inscriptions and successfully sold in four figures at auction. To be more blunt, who is to say that this is a portrait of Sam Thompson? I still feel that the pictorial evidence that I see points to a Mareska family origin, but so what ...

Leon · #5 07-09-2022, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith H. Thompson

that we have yet to learn of any provenance, and we should, to help in establishing the origin of this "portrait." Sam Thompson is a dead on target for forgers, and I could cite several examples where genuine, period items have been elaborately embellished with purported inscriptions and successfully sold in four figures at auction. To be more blunt, who is to say that this is a portrait of Sam Thompson? I still feel that the pictorial evidence that I see points to a Mareska family origin, but so what ...

I don't know either but the ears, usually a telltale sign, don't look to be the same.
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Joe_G. · #6 07-09-2022, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

I don't know either but the ears, usually a telltale sign, don't look to be the same.

I'd agree if this were a photo however since it is a painting, perhaps based on Sam sitting for the portrait, the accuracy of such details may be lacking or even purposely inaccurate for sake of completing quickly or even desire to change ears, nose, etc. In low confidence I do believe it to be a portrait of Sam with a decent but far from perfect likeness. I totally agree with Frank & Keith. For me, the main question is whether this is an authentic painting dating to late 19th century.

This painting will realize far more if the seller/consignor/auction house seeks professional opinion on date. Maybe you cannot piece together provenance but knowing the painting dates to late nineteenth to early twentieth century and hasn't been touched up (confirm the Dauvray Cup pendant isn't a late add) would help those with interest to offer or bid higher sums of money in confidence. It would certainly impact any offer I would make.

RCMcKenzie · #7 07-09-2022, 12:41 PM

The Kreindler piece is really nice. Along the lines of what Eddie is saying, you should gather more information from the seller. Where did he find it?

It helps a great deal to have a reputable venue vouch for the piece. If it were in Dumouchelles or HA, they could say "19th Century portrait, quite possibly so-and-so." etc Selling with a major art dealer creates provenance. Good luck with it.

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