Gun ownership poll

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by irv

https://www.tiktok.com/@lexitmovemen...10508643880238

can increase pay for teachers with guns.....if you ask the students like this video they will all say they feel safer with their teachers with guns

i would submit a teacher (who know their students very well) would do more to risk their lives for students than law enforcement.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

can increase pay for teachers with guns.....if you ask the students like this video they will all say they feel safer with their teachers with guns

i would submit a teacher (who know their students very well) would do more to risk their lives for students than law enforcement.

They will “all say they feel safer with their teachers with guns”? Um no. There’s a reason the vast majority of parents whose kids have been gunned down call for sensible restrictions on access to guns than they do for weaponized teachers. This is an issue where it may be better if older people without actual kids in the schools have less of a say in the matter.

[CollectingAmericasPastime]

Originally Posted by Carter08

They will “all say they feel safer with their teachers with guns”? Um no. There’s a reason the vast majority of parents whose kids have been gunned down call for sensible restrictions on access to guns than they do for weaponized teachers. This is an issue where it may be better if older people without actual kids in the schools have less of a say in the matter.

- I'm not entirely sure these people are in the right state of mind to make sound, educated, emotionless decisions. Maybe we should let these families grieve instead of constantly throwing them in front of the media.

- You mean people who came from a more respectful society should have less say in a matter that encompasses respect - for firearms, for each other, for themselves?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

- I'm not entirely sure these people are in the right state of mind to make sound, educated, emotionless decisions. Maybe we should let these families grieve instead of constantly throwing them in front of the media.

- You mean people who came from a more respectful society should have less say in a matter that encompasses respect - for firearms, for each other, for themselves?

More respectful? Where does that judgment come from? I’m not saying whether I agree or disagree but there are many that would disagree and thank the fact that we have tried to evolve from some pretty bad ways of treating each other in the past. Seems like a pretty big take to have - wondering what is your basis for saying it.

[CollectingAmericasPastime]

Originally Posted by Carter08

More respectful? Where does that judgment come from? I’m not saying whether I agree or disagree but there are many that would disagree and thank the fact that we have tried to evolve from some pretty bad ways of treating each other in the past. Seems like a pretty big take to have - wondering what is your basis for saying it.

I'm not saying previous generations were/are perfect. There is a very fine balance between traditional and progressive. Parents actually parented back in the day. There was respect for life - not just one's own life, but others' lives as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-suspect.html

Modern "progressive" is regression in disguise in many ways.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I'm not saying previous generations were/are perfect. There is a very fine balance between traditional and progressive. Parents actually parented back in the day. There was respect for life - not just one's own life, but others' lives as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-suspect.html

Modern "progressive" is regression in disguise in many ways.

Parents don’t parent in this day?

[CollectingAmericasPastime]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Parents don’t parent in this day?

How could they? Many, MANY households are two income households, meaning kids are being shipped off to daycares and schools to be taught by strangers. Many other households are victims of victimless crimes & BS drug crimes locking one of the parents away, taking them from the home.

NYC has a massive youth criminal/gang problem. Chicago is just about the worst gun violence community around, many of which involve teens/young adults. These are some of the strictest gun control areas in the country, yet combine for the majority of gun violence in this country. 4th of July weekend saw dozens upon dozens of people shot. Do you think the parents are around in those communities, teaching respect, etc.?

Social Media is killing society. Kids see "trends" and don't give a damn who they harm as long as they get views & "clout". Music, TV, Movies, etc., are filled with trash lifestyles being idolized.

And both parents are probably working while this happens, or one of them is in jail for a BS reason. Then they and others wonder why little Johnny turns to crack, heroine, etc., goes through mental health issues, and shoots up a school or someone else.

But you keep focusing on the guns, because to you and some others, that's the problem.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

They will “all say they feel safer with their teachers with guns”? Um no. There’s a reason the vast majority of parents whose kids have been gunned down call for sensible restrictions on access to guns than they do for weaponized teachers. This is an issue where it may be better if older people without actual kids in the schools have less of a say in the matter.

disagree, the vast majority wish there to be some weaponized teachers at least for now..perhaps a few talking heads on TV on stations you watch may share what you stated.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

disagree, the vast majority wish there to be some weaponized teachers at least for now..perhaps a few talking heads on TV on stations you watch may share what you stated.

I am about as pro gun as it gets but I can't imagine having school teachers with guns. I will admit I don't have the answer but arming teachers is not it.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am about as pro gun as it gets but I can't imagine having school teachers with guns. I will admit I don't have the answer but arming teachers is not it.

Ugh thank you for this. Whatever the solution is having kids in a classroom with a gun means we’ve truly lost.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Ugh thank you for this. Whatever the solution is having kids in a classroom with a gun means we’ve truly lost.

used to say that about having metal detectors at schools...people used to say it was like a jail, how can we have detectors at schools.....this also means that kids bring in arms/guns as well and we both know that metal detectors arent going to catch all...so if you know kids are going to have arms, why cant teachers........

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

used to say that about having metal detectors at schools...people used to say it was like a jail, how can we have detectors at schools.....this also means that kids bring in arms/guns as well and we both know that metal detectors arent going to catch all...so if you know kids are going to have arms, why cant teachers........

How many kids do you have in school? And, if any, do you want them walking through metal detectors and then sitting in a classroom with a gun in it? That’s a shitty childhood in my view.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am about as pro gun as it gets but I can't imagine having school teachers with guns. I will admit I don't have the answer but arming teachers is not it.

not arming all teachers..arming a few trained teachers who would get extra pay....

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

disagree, the vast majority wish there to be some weaponized teachers at least for now..perhaps a few talking heads on TV on stations you watch may share what you stated.

This is right.

When these school shooting incidents happen, the first response is always to call for help (weaponized good guys.) It's common sense. And yet, there are people who simultaneously recognize this obvious fact, but insist it's a terrible idea to pre-emptively have weaponized good guys already trained, familiar with the building, and on site.

[G1911]

Many states technically allow teachers to carry, with varying levels of restriction. Some states effectively allow teachers to actually carry.

I would vote against turning it into a job requirement and think that is a silly overreaction (this is what the left seems to hear when the right talks about armed teachers), but simply let them carry if they want to do so and live in a constitutional carry state or have a CCW if they are in a shall-issue state. Laws banning or effectively barring carry on school premises have, shocker, not stopped massacres. Mass shooters don't shoot up gun conventions, shooting ranges, or armories for a reason. They pick locations with large numbers of people who are not armed. Allow those who want to to exercise their rights.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Mark17

This is right.

When these school shooting incidents happen, the first response is always to call for help (weaponized good guys.) It's common sense. And yet, there are people who simultaneously recognize this obvious fact, but insist it's a terrible idea to pre-emptively have weaponized good guys already trained, familiar with the building, and on site.

There are literally parents of school shooting victims that are actively protesting for more gun control, no?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

disagree, the vast majority wish there to be some weaponized teachers at least for now..perhaps a few talking heads on TV on stations you watch may share what you stated.

I doubt that’s true. Don’t have a poll. Can’t say for sure of course. Going off the same sense of the situations as are you.