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Old 07-12-2022, 07:47 PM
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Hopefully they update this to protect raw buyers to the same degree as buyers of already graded cards.

After eBay sends the card to CSG to take a look, CSG should ship it to PSA who will then authenticate that CSG did, in fact, authenticate the actual card. Then PSA can ship it to the buyer.
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Hopefully they update this to protect raw buyers to the same degree as buyers of already graded cards.

After eBay sends the card to CSG to take a look, CSG should ship it to PSA who will then authenticate that CSG did, in fact, authenticate the actual card. Then PSA can ship it to the buyer.
Just what the buying experience needs are more hands and time in shipping. Will take a pass. If ya want something graded then buy it already graded.
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Just what the buying experience needs are more hands and time in shipping. Will take a pass. If ya want something graded then buy it already graded.
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Hopefully they update this to protect raw buyers to the same degree as buyers of already graded cards.

After eBay sends the card to CSG to take a look, CSG should ship it to PSA who will then authenticate that CSG did, in fact, authenticate the actual card. Then PSA can ship it to the buyer.
I'd feel damn good about the card with two nifty blue folders (or whatever you call those stupid things) and two QR codes.
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Hopefully they update this to protect raw buyers to the same degree as buyers of already graded cards.

After eBay sends the card to CSG to take a look, CSG should ship it to PSA who will then authenticate that CSG did, in fact, authenticate the actual card. Then PSA can ship it to the buyer.
I was thinking that maybe they should start out with CSG then send to PSA then to SGC and finally to Beckett to maximize shipping time from seller to customer. Why not get everyone's opinion.
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Old 07-12-2022, 08:13 PM
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I was thinking that maybe they should start out with CSG then send to PSA then to SGC and finally to Beckett to maximize shipping time from seller to customer. Why not get everyone's opinion.
Brilliant! With a QR code and folder from each, I will finally sleep easy that my card is real.
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I was thinking that maybe they should start out with CSG then send to PSA then to SGC and finally to Beckett to maximize shipping time from seller to customer. Why not get everyone's opinion.
And then on to MBA for a Gold Diamond Sticker too!

If I am buying raw on eBay I do not need CSG's opinion on the card. I woul dnot be bidding if I was worried the card was altered, counterfeit or graded wrong. Thanks but no thanks. Same with buying a graded card...I do not need PSA telling me the slab is ok and certainly do not need them telling me a CSG, BVG or SGC slab is good. That is laughable.
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Not only is it about tampered slab but also getting a box of rocks. I think people forgot quickly how long things took to get 2 years ago, an extra week or so is nothing and tbh, if I'm buying a big card I prefer not to have to worry about the slab being tampered, the raw card being fake or altered or receiving a pile of 91 Fleer instead of a my slabbed Goudey.
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interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….
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interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”.
Which post #'s have postulated this argument?

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Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….
People tend to not like things they think are inconvenient. I've yet to meet a fellow who welcomes inconvenience.
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interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….
Agree
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interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….
I wish I had a good fake slab. I’d bet that if it went to PSA for review, it would pass. At least in the context of this program. But do let us know when you hear of a single card that gets rejected.
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I wish I had a good fake slab. I’d bet that if it went to PSA for review, it would pass. At least in the context of this program. But do let us know when you hear of a single card that gets rejected.
Well hopefully we can all find out right here on Net54.

Most of the slabbed cards are PSA's right? Maybe 75% of them or more? It would seem PSA should know a lot about their own faked or resealed slabs. And they should be able to build up expertise on the others, assuming they take their job seriously. I don't know why they wouldn't. Ebay might only be paying $5 a slab to do the review so you can't spend a whole lot of time there I guess, but once you have seen enough of them a bad one should stand out.

And I also assume that just by setting up the review process, ebay has caused many of the fake slab sellers to have gone away, so there may not be a lot of bad slabs to find anymore.

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interesting how many responses are basically “I can tell a real slab from a fake slab …. this process is stupid.”. Not that it’s good or bad for cleaning up fraud in hobby as a whole, but let me tell you how this is inconvenient to me personally ….
If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.
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If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.
Thank you.

Unfortunately, with this hobby and many other facets of life, personal responsibility went out the window a long time ago.
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If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.
Unfortunately if someone is an idiot and gets scammed by an ebay seller it reflects poorly on the whole platform. Most people are looking for a site where they don't have to navigate through that nonsense. Good for you that you embrace it but you might have to find somewhere else to fulfill your adventurous side.

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If you feel you need the service then you should use it but I think we should have a choice. Apparently you feel it should be thrust onto everyone. Maybe some of us feel we can fend for ourselves and do not need eBay looking out for us in this manner. As a buyer I have never had an issue with a seller on eBay where I would need the authenticity guarantee.
You have a choice, don't use eBay. It's pretty simple.
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And to illustrate the problem I mentioned yesterday:



I can't see the bottom of my damn card unless I remove the label or the baggy.
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And to illustrate the problem I mentioned yesterday:



I can't see the bottom of my damn card unless I remove the label or the baggy.
Appreciate the pic, it's good to see what the wrapper looks like. It doesn't look too bad to me but if you don't like it, why don't you take it off? You didn't buy it for the authentication, so just take the baggie off and toss it, you'll be no worse off.
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Appreciate the pic, it's good to see what the wrapper looks like. It doesn't look too bad to me but if you don't like it, why don't you take it off? You didn't buy it for the authentication, so just take the baggie off and toss it, you'll be no worse off.
I am taking off the sleeve because I don't care. My point is that if I cared about it I would either (1) not be able to see the whole card, or (2) void the eBay guarantee. That is not a well-considered product.
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...I can't see the bottom of my damn card unless I remove the label or the baggy.
Adam, get with the times. Today's new breed of sophisticated collector doesn't care about the card. Only the flip matters.

Besides, all cards will eventually reside in vaults. The true collector will be the one with the most spreadsheets.
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