new low for the ebay authenticity thing

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

From my vantage point as a seller and buyer I have felt eBay did a pretty decent job of keeping the site free from fraud. I know this statement upset Steve to no end but this has been my experience.

This. I have been buying on eBay for 21 years. I have never once been scammed or defrauded. By applying the most basic of common sense, I've mostly avoided it. As a buyer, that eBay sides with me 100% no matter what for several weeks after a card is delivered leaves essentially no room to get defrauded anyways (which has only happened a couple times, and by big name sellers). Even if I bought a fake or the seller sent a fake instead of a legit card pictured, it doesn't really matter. I return it, eBay pays the shipping, and then eBay forces the seller to refund me.

Having every single card (or slab, they won't even review the actual card the time, which should maybe signal that this isn't about cards at all anymore) of value go through this review cannot possibly be cheaper than the old policy. Nor does it actually afford greater protection. I know this apparently sends some members into rages, but oh well.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by G1911

…I return it, eBay pays the shipping, and then eBay forces the seller to refund me.

FWIW, the seller pays for return shipping.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Eric72

FWIW, the seller pays for return shipping.

Thank you for correcting. So it costs eBay $0 and gives the buyer a full refund on anything.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by G1911

Thank you for correcting. So it costs eBay $0 and gives the buyer a full refund on anything.

Generally speaking, yes. There are time limits, though. Ungraded trading cards have the shortest return window, if I'm not mistaken. Last time I checked, it was three days (if the seller doesn't offer returns) from confirmed receipt of the item.

This was put into place on the heels of Topps Project 2020. When values cratered, buyers were intentionally damaging cards and forcing returns weeks later.

It makes sense on another front, too. If an active player suffers an injury, the seller shouldn't be forced to give a refund and take the item back.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

This. I have been buying on eBay for 21 years. I have never once been scammed or defrauded. By applying the most basic of common sense, I've mostly avoided it. As a buyer, that eBay sides with me 100% no matter what for several weeks after a card is delivered leaves essentially no room to get defrauded anyways (which has only happened a couple times, and by big name sellers). Even if I bought a fake or the seller sent a fake instead of a legit card pictured, it doesn't really matter. I return it, eBay pays the shipping, and then eBay forces the seller to refund me.

Having every single card (or slab, they won't even review the actual card the time, which should maybe signal that this isn't about cards at all anymore) of value go through this review cannot possibly be cheaper than the old policy. Nor does it actually afford greater protection. I know this apparently sends some members into rages, but oh well.

It is no shock that some people love the AG program. They do not have to use common sense when buying on eBay, take the time to educate themselves or take steps to vet their sellers and instead pass that responsibility onto someone else. All the while they can maintain the illusion that the card they bought, which might be altered, is 100% legit. Ya gotta love it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

It is no shock that some people love the AG program. They do not have to use common sense when buying on eBay, take the time to educate themselves or take steps to vet their sellers and instead pass that responsibility onto someone else. All the while they can maintain the illusion that the card they bought, which might be altered, is 100% legit. Ya gotta love it.

I'm against it, but I see why others might like the raw card version. I do not understand getting triggered over encountering posts that think authenticating slabs is silly.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm against it, but I see why others might like the raw card version.

Agreed.

I do not understand getting triggered over encountering posts that think authenticating slabs is silly.

Sadly I do understand it. Sign of the times. The hobby is not immune.

[Yoda]

I wonder where customer satisfaction figures into Ebay's business model, if at all. Here is a service, the majority here thinks is unnecessary, that is being forced upon buyers who really don't want all the hideous bells and whistles. All they want is their precious piece of cardboard.
the licensing agreement with CSG stinks and is clearly a conflict of interest for Ebay.

[Exhibitman]

Jim, I'm sure someone somewhere has a shelf of these uggo padfolios proudly displayed. Perhaps next to the Franklin Mint Liberace plate?

And for the next bit of overkill I am now seeing 'otter boxes' for slabs



Encase your card in a PSA coffin, wrap the sarcophagus in a sleeve, then put it in one of these cases. And then undoubtedly into a padded carrying case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Better still, into a vault.

[Tabe]

I actually don't hate the concept on those "grade guard" cases. The colors are terrible but I don't hate the concept.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Better still, into a vault.

Okay, so I just got an email from Ebay saying:

You collect. We protect
Say hello to the eBay vault, our 31,000 square foot state-of-the-art secure facility.

Here's the link:
https://usg01.safelinks.protection.o...%3D&reserved=0

[G1911]

This mock up of a secured vault looks like the setting of a heist movie more than a card storage facility.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Call me a skeptic, but I don't think that's what their vault actually looks like.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Call me a skeptic, but I don't think that's what their vault actually looks like.

Nah, I'm sure this is an actual photo and every single card is given a couple feet of wall space for display.

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Jim, I'm sure someone somewhere has a shelf of these uggo padfolios proudly displayed. Perhaps next to the Franklin Mint Liberace plate?

And for the next bit of overkill I am now seeing 'otter boxes' for slabs



Encase your card in a PSA coffin, wrap the sarcophagus in a sleeve, then put it in one of these cases. And then undoubtedly into a padded carrying case.

I agree that these are utterly dumb.

[GrewUpWithJunkWax]

The padfolio does seem to be a waste. Not sure what to do if those pile up over time.

I don't mind the extra wait time to receive the card. It's not really that time sensitive.

[JimmyC]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

I agree that these are utterly dumb.

Hilarious - never seen those before...

[Pat R]

I must be on everyone's block list but I'll try one more time has anyone whose cards are delivered to a PO box had a card go through the authenticity process?

I've had several that qualify but none of them went through the process. The most recent had nothing in the description that would eliminate it from having to be authenticated. I purchased it on Sept. 14 and received it shipped directly to me on Sept. 19. It should have went through the process it even said "Delivery: Estimated between Wed, Oct 12 and Mon, Oct. 17 includes shipping to and from authenticator".

Looking through the thread the only explanation I could find was the person that said an ebay rep. told them that it doesn't have to go through the process if it's shipped to a PO box.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I must be on everyone's block list but I'll try one more time has anyone whose cards are delivered to a PO box had a card go through the authenticity process?

I've had several that qualify but none of them went through the process. The most recent had nothing in the description that would eliminate it from having to be authenticated. I purchased it on Sept. 14 and received it shipped directly to me on Sept. 19. It should have went through the process it even said "Delivery: Estimated between Wed, Oct 12 and Mon, Oct. 17 includes shipping to and from authenticator".

Looking through the thread the only explanation I could find was the person that said an ebay rep. told them that it doesn't have to go through the process if it's shipped to a PO box.

I have a PO Box, but I simply don't buy $500+ cards on Ebay. I will respond if/when I do.

[EddieP]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I must be on everyone's block list but I'll try one more time has anyone whose cards are delivered to a PO box had a card go through the authenticity process?

I've had several that qualify but none of them went through the process. The most recent had nothing in the description that would eliminate it from having to be authenticated. I purchased it on Sept. 14 and received it shipped directly to me on Sept. 19. It should have went through the process it even said "Delivery: Estimated between Wed, Oct 12 and Mon, Oct. 17 includes shipping to and from authenticator".

Looking through the thread the only explanation I could find was the person that said an ebay rep. told them that it doesn't have to go through the process if it's shipped to a PO box.

I don’t use a PO Box but when the Authenticity Guarantee program first started the UPS guy told me that eBay required that the addressee sign for the card.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Looking through the thread the only explanation I could find was the person that said an ebay rep. told them that it doesn't have to go through the process if it's shipped to a PO box.

It's in their FAQ - cards sent to PO boxes are not part of FAQ authentication process:

https://pages.ebay.com/authenticity-...-tradingcards/