The Knickerbockers -- Now In Living Color!

SteveS · #1 07-17-2022, 09:41 PM

At the risk of opening a whole new can of worms, I also wanted to share this tintype which I believe depicts Doc Adams and Charles S. DeBost. I feel that it also helps to confirm those IDs in the stereoview. Here are side-by-side and half-and-half comparisons to the known photos of each man, as well as comparisons to the stereoview. Again, the coloring is at the whim of the program, and I understand that the images may not appear with the same clarity depending on the device. As always, you be the judge -- no person is more qualified than anyone else to render an opinion as to whether two people look alike. One other very interesting thing: The last picture shows the back of the tintype. It is part of a page from an old periodical of the time called "Anthony's Photographic Bulletin." It was published by Edward Anthony. The very same Edward Anthony who was a Knickerbocker and whom I believe is pictured in the stereoview above.

19cbb · #2 07-18-2022, 05:19 PM

I'll have whatever he's smoking.

eastonfalcon19 · #3 07-18-2022, 06:42 PM

Thanks for making my eyes hurt and giving me a headache.

bigfanNY · #4 07-19-2022, 07:56 AM

Steve I went through your pictures and I see many more differences than similarities. The side by side points out clear differences in eye and nose shapes. And unfortunately the differences I believe prove the negative. That this is not a stereoview if the Knickerbockers.

sphere and ash · #5 07-19-2022, 08:32 AM

Edward Anthony was not, to my knowledge, a member of the Knickerbocker Club. Two of his brothers played in 1846.

SteveS · #6 07-19-2022, 08:52 AM

Jonathan, thank you for looking and providing your opinion! Paul, from what I've read, Edward was affiliated with the Knickerbockers, but there is some question as to whether he played in any games where there are box scores. As you mention, his brothers Henry and David were listed in box scores, and Henry was a long-time member of the team. He was also a partner with Edward in one of the founding and largest photography businesses in America. They started in stereoviews right around the period when this one was taken.

tiger8mush · #7 07-19-2022, 10:46 AM

Feel free to disregard my opinion, as I have zero experience in the field of facial comparison. But the only similarities I see in the side-by-side photos are that they are skinny white guys from 1800s with semi-similar hairstyles. Noses, ears, chin, cheekbones, eye & surrounding orbital features all appear different to me in every photo to the point that I can't convince myself there is a realistic chance that ANY are of the same person.

I'm open to being wrong, but at this stage I don't see enough evidence to become a believer.

sphere and ash · #8 07-19-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveS

Jonathan, thank you for looking and providing your opinion! Paul, from what I've read, Edward was affiliated with the Knickerbockers, but there is some question as to whether he played in any games where there are box scores. As you mention, his brothers Henry and David were listed in box scores, and Henry was a long-time member of the team. He was also a partner with Edward in one of the founding and largest photography businesses in America. They started in stereoviews right around the period when this one was taken.

I have never seen anything that mentioned Edward affiliating with the club. If you can share the source, it would be helpful. Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that Edward was a member, it does raise the question of why this isn�t on an E&HT Anthony mount.

trdcrdkid · #9 07-19-2022, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Steve I went through your pictures and I see many more differences than similarities. The side by side points out clear differences in eye and nose shapes. And unfortunately the differences I believe prove the negative. That this is not a stereoview if the Knickerbockers.

I'm just reading through this thread for the first time, but I agree with Jonathan. I just don't see the similarities, other than them being bearded white guys from the mid-19th century.

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