1989 Fleer Randy Johnson #381 Marlboro Errors - 30 Years Later

[Statfreak101]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I love to bash PSA as much as the next person. Saying that they should have 2 different flips. One that says corrected and one that says error version or something similar.

Even those of us that super collect these things can't agree on all the different variations. We sure can't expect PSA to get it correct.

You're right - but they could sure do the hobby & the people that pay them justice by doing it right.

[Hatorade]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I love to bash PSA as much as the next person. Saying that they should have 2 different flips. One that says corrected and one that says error version or something similar.

Even those of us that super collect these things can't agree on all the different variations. We sure can't expect PSA to get it correct.

Originally Posted by Statfreak101

You're right - but they could sure do the hobby & the people that pay them justice by doing it right.

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...rading-process


I would assume that PSA isn’t using their Genamint AI technology for grading these cards yet. PSA says “It will also provide unique card identification – or “card fingerprinting” – by identifying the exact card in order to track provenance, resubmissions, condition changes and other attributes over time.” Genamint software, at a minimum, should be able provide a little bit more consistency when it comes to labeling Ad on Scoreboard vs Ad Partially Insured. It should also be able to prevent any of the error cards being labeled as Ad Completely Blacked Out and conversely any of the common cards/non-errors being labeled as Ad on Scoreboard/Ad Partially Obscured. The inconsistency and mislabeling are continuing with cards graded very recently with too much frequency to be an actual result of AI technology.

There isn’t a more relevant card to show that the Genamint AI software technology works than the 1989 Fleer Marlboro errors. It makes me excited about the future proper grading of these cards. If PSA is able to fingerprint an exact card, the changes made by Fleer to the error cards should be both easily traceable and also quantifiable with their software. PSA is telling us that they have the technology to grade the cards properly, so at some point why wouldn’t we expect them to get it correct?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Hatorade

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...rading-process


I would assume that PSA isn’t using their Genamint AI technology for grading these cards yet. PSA says “It will also provide unique card identification – or “card fingerprinting” – by identifying the exact card in order to track provenance, resubmissions, condition changes and other attributes over time.” Genamint software, at a minimum, should be able provide a little bit more consistency when it comes to labeling Ad on Scoreboard vs Ad Partially Insured. It should also be able to prevent any of the error cards being labeled as Ad Completely Blacked Out and conversely any of the common cards/non-errors being labeled as Ad on Scoreboard/Ad Partially Obscured. The inconsistency and mislabeling are continuing with cards graded very recently with too much frequency to be an actual result of AI technology.

There isn’t a more relevant card to show that the Genamint AI software technology works than the 1989 Fleer Marlboro errors. It makes me excited about the future proper grading of these cards. If PSA is able to fingerprint an exact card, the changes made by Fleer to the error cards should be both easily traceable and also quantifiable with their software. PSA is telling us that they have the technology to grade the cards properly, so at some point why wouldn’t we expect them to get it correct?

IF and that is a very big if they can "fingerprint" each card at best they might be able to pick out cards that have been resubmited.

To me this card and the slight tint differences will never be listed by each variation because of the very slight tinting differances. The Bill Ripken to me is the perfect card because there are very distinct differances in them.

[Statfreak101]

It just is maddening, infuriating, when you see cards listed on eBay that are "Marlboro Ad on Scoreboard" that are LESS VISIBLE than ones that get the "Ad Partially Obscured" label.

Of course when you reach out to PSA about it, they just throw their hands up in the air and tell you there is nothing they can do about it.

Frustrating!

[lowpopper]

I would like to see the variations on the label one day

[steve5838]

Did one of you get this? It was purchased just as I opened the counter offer. Congratulations to whoever got it.

[Statfreak101]

Originally Posted by steve5838

Did one of you get this? It was purchased just as I opened the counter offer. Congratulations to whoever got it.

That would be me, good sir!

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by Statfreak101

That would be me, good sir!

you gonna open it? would love to hear how that goes

[Statfreak101]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

you gonna open it? would love to hear how that goes

Will most likely be sending to BBCE first and then probably open a box or two. May sell a couple, too.

[steve5838]

Originally Posted by Statfreak101

That would be me, good sir!

Congratulations! I've never seen one with such an early code. I hope you get a bunch of clears and blues!!

[lowpopper]

1989 fleer could be its own netflix doc