Gun ownership poll

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Right, it's all "fake news" unless it confirms your personal beliefs. Got it. It's particularly bizarre that you say you are interested in people's ideas when your constantly deflecting, posturing and disingenuous posts confirm over and over that the opposite is true. But have fun with your "take downs" as you describe them. Have a great night!

Don’t forget calling people trolls when they don’t agree. I’m done after someone made fun of the type of bullet used to kill children. Good luck everyone.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Don’t forget calling people trolls when they don’t agree. I’m done after someone made fun of the type of bullet used to kill children. Good luck everyone.

NOBODY made fun of any bullet but YOU are the only one to make racist remarks so please stay gone.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bnorth

NOBODY made fun of any bullet but YOU are the only one to make racist remarks so please stay gone.

I hate to re-engage but your yet again ridiculous post called for a response. You demeaned the shooter’s choice of ammo. You know, the shooter that killed a bunch of children, before you readily admitted you don’t pay attention to such things. It’s pretty awful. As for my “racist” posts, if your views are informed by being a minority or even a younger person growing up in an urban environment, send me your address and I will send you a great card free of charge. I think it would be better if we all just recognized we come from different environments a d experiences and we were not so quick to absolutely demonize the other side.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I hate to re-engage but your yet again ridiculous post called for a response. You demeaned the shooter’s choice of ammo. You know, the shooter that killed a bunch of children, before you readily admitted you don’t pay attention to such things. It’s pretty awful. As for my “racist” posts, if your views are informed by being a minority or even a younger person growing up in an urban environment, send me your address and I will send you a great card free of charge. I think it would be better if we all just recognized we come from different environments a d experiences and we were not so quick to absolutely demonize the other side.

You are the only one to criticize people based on age, sex, or race. You did all 3 at once.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

You are the only one to criticize people based on age, sex, or race. You did all 3 at once.

I did not criticize anyone based on those factors. You and your friend are the only ones making personal attacks. But as an aside, if your views are informed by being a minority I will send you a card. Send address.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I did not criticize anyone based on those factors. You and your friend are the only ones making personal attacks. But as an aside, if your views are informed by being a minority I will send you a card. Send address.

"Defender of persecuted white people" fits the profile quite well.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

"Defender of persecuted white people" fits the profile quite well.

What is wrong with you?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I did not criticize anyone based on those factors. You and your friend are the only ones making personal attacks. But as an aside, if your views are informed by being a minority I will send you a card. Send address.

Yes, you did.

And yes, you have made personal attacks. In actual fact, you joined the debate (after flip flopping from your first post) solely, as part of your bizarre cross-thread weirdness and little shots, to comment that you too think I am stupid. Which is fine, I lay no claim to intellect. But once again you are simply factually wrong. What else is new?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, you did.

And yes, you have made personal attacks. In actual fact, you joined the debate (after flip flopping from your first post) solely, as part of your bizarre cross-thread weirdness and little shots, to comment that you too think I am stupid. Which is fine, I lay no claim to intellect. But once again you are simply factually wrong. What else is new?

Good evidence.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I hate to re-engage but your yet again ridiculous post called for a response. You demeaned the shooter’s choice of ammo. You know, the shooter that killed a bunch of children, before you readily admitted you don’t pay attention to such things. It’s pretty awful. As for my “racist” posts, if your views are informed by being a minority or even a younger person growing up in an urban environment, send me your address and I will send you a great card free of charge. I think it would be better if we all just recognized we come from different environments a d experiences and we were not so quick to absolutely demonize the other side.

Pointing out the fact that the shooter's ammo wasn't as powerful as other ammo is not "demeaning" it. Or being insensitive. It is an attempt to bring factual information into this conversation.

Laws that govern people and protect their rights in society should be based in truth and logic, not simply emotion. Therefore, worthwhile discussions on the topic should likewise be based in truth, facts, and logic.

Why do you recoil (bad pun) from comments pointing out the shooter used comparatively low-power rounds? It's simply fact. In an honest discussion, facts like that are relevant.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Pointing out the fact that the shooter's ammo wasn't as powerful as other ammo is not "demeaning" it. Or being insensitive. It is an attempt to bring factual information into this conversation.

Laws that govern people and protect their rights in society should be based in truth and logic, not simply emotion. Therefore, worthwhile discussions on the topic should likewise be based in truth, facts, and logic.

Why do you recoil (bad pun) from comments pointing out the shooter used comparatively low-power rounds? It's simply fact. In an honest discussion, facts like that are relevant.

Saying “223s are baby ammo for rifles. If they are choosing them for their damage they are complete morons at best when it is one of the weakest rounds” isn’t comforting to parents who have lost kids. Perhaps the hunters here don’t realize it but these rounds have been effective at killing children.
Maybe they unsurprisingly weigh less than most deer you shoot. Either way, show a modicum of respect. No one is talking about banning ammo or even guns for that matter as far as I can tell. It would be nice if if we could make it slightly harder for someone to buy one of these weapons and use it a day or two later to kill children.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Saying “223s are baby ammo for rifles. If they are choosing them for their damage they are complete morons at best when it is one of the weakest rounds” isn’t comforting to parents who have lost kids.

You are looking at the issue emotionally. Some of us are being reasoned.

It is a tragedy when kids die, no matter how it happens. We all agree. You do not claim higher moral ground than anyone else in this thread, pretending someone else is insensitive because they make a factual statement regarding the weapon used.

A Swiss army knife is less powerful than a 12 inch meat cleaver or machete. Can we agree on that? The rounds fired from an AR-15 are likewise less potent than many other firearms out there. Just plain fact. But, since that fact upsets your anti AR-15 narrative, here's your opportunity to call ME insensitive (or whatever else your sidestep will be this time.)

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Mark17

You are looking at the issue emotionally. Some of us are being reasoned.

It is a tragedy when kids die, no matter how it happens. We all agree. You do not claim higher moral ground than anyone else in this thread, pretending someone else is insensitive because they make a factual statement regarding the weapon used.

A Swiss army knife is less powerful than a 12 inch meat cleaver or machete. Can we agree on that? The rounds fired from an AR-15 are likewise less potent than many other firearms out there. Just plain fact. But, since that fact upsets your anti AR-15 narrative, here's your opportunity to call ME insensitive (or whatever else your sidestep will be this time.)

What ammo isn’t going to kill or seriously a kid? What point are you or anyone else on “your side” trying to make?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Don’t forget calling people trolls when they don’t agree. I’m done after someone made fun of the type of bullet used to kill children. Good luck everyone.

Right. I came on this thread optimistic that members with very different views could have a reasonable discussion, but the results haven't been altogether encouraging. When someone starts throwing out personal insults out of nowhere, it's time to disengage.

What's most concerning to me, and part of a broader discussion, of which the subject of this thread is a part, is the way Americans are so quick these days to demonize their fellow citizens, often for nonsense reasons. Not a great sign for the future.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Right. I came on this thread optimistic that members with very different views could have a reasonable discussion, but the results haven't been altogether encouraging. When someone starts throwing out personal insults out of nowhere, it's time to disengage.

What's most concerning to me, and part of a broader discussion, of which the subject of this thread is a part, is the way Americans are so quick these days to demonize their fellow citizens, often for nonsense reasons. Not a great sign for the future.

Have you personally changed your opinion on the subject? Seriously you posted a link comparing hand gun wounds to a low powered rifle round to prove how powerfull a rifle round is. How is that not trying to be deceptive? Also how is the post I quoted not calling others names? At least be honest about your opinions.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Have you personally changed your opinion on the subject? Seriously you posted a link comparing hand gun wounds to a low powered rifle round to prove how powerfull a rifle round is. How is that not trying to be deceptive? Also how is the post I quoted not calling others names? At least be honest about your opinions.

Changed my opinion on what exactly? I don't know what you mean by calling others names. I don't think I've done that on this thread.

Edit: And..."trying to be deceptive"? Seriously? This is exactly what the last paragraph of my previous post was referring to.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Changed my opinion on what exactly? I don't know what you mean by calling others names. I don't think I've done that on this thread.

Your opinions on current gun laws. Isn't that the main point of this thread? Sadly most posters know so little about the subject they have asked for laws we already have. Then they post about guns with comments that are very far from true. If you like G911s posts or not at least he is posting facts and is consistant on his views.

If this isn't a back handed remark I am sorry. is the way Americans are so quick these days to demonize their fellow citizens, often for nonsense reasons. Not a great sign for the future.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Your opinions on current gun laws. Isn't that the main point of this thread? Sadly most posters know so little about the subject they have asked for laws we already have. Then they post about guns with comments that are very far from true. If you like G911s posts or not at least he is posting facts and is consistant on his views.

If this isn't a back handed remark I am sorry. is the way Americans are so quick these days to demonize their fellow citizens, often for nonsense reasons. Not a great sign for the future.

Wait, so after telling me you aren't interested in the subject and don't follow it, you now want to know my opinions? Why is that?

About the remark you quoted, do you not agree that such instances are more common today than they were in the past? It isn't a personal dig, and it's not about gun laws or the politics surrounding them.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Wait, so after telling me you aren't interested in the subject and don't follow it, you now want to know my opinions? Why is that?

About the remark you quoted, do you not agree that such instances are more common today than they were in the past? It isn't a personal dig, and it's not about gun laws or the politics surrounding them.

No, I said I was not interested in a specific shooting.

I do care about the subject as I own guns. I have not shot one in about a decade but 3 of the 6 have special meaning to me.

I personally am tired of anti gun people using mass shootings to try to make more gun laws that only hurt honest gun owners.