auto racing cards

[D. Bergin]

Well, I know these issues are complicated, but SGC is getting these wrong already.

Here's one for now. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find others.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/36392093793...&segname=11021

This Lewis Hamilton card #4C is labeled as a 2010 Ravensburger "Pole Position" issue. It is actually a 2012 issue. The 2010 issue using this image, should be numbered #4A.

You can tell this is a 2012 issue, because if you look in the bottom left corner of the card, you can see card #4A (and most recent car) in this run should be the McLaren-Mercedes MP4/26 car, driven by Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button during the 2011 season.

I will post the images of the incorrectly dated SGC card, and what the correct 2010 card looks like.

I know these cards can be very similar from year to year. Best way to tell them apart is the number listed in the top left corner, and then the car models listed in that number sequence in the bottom left corner of the card.

Hope this makes at least a little bit of sense, if anybody cares about the obscurities in these sets.

[D. Bergin]

Here's one SGC got correct.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30456130396...Cclp%3A2047675

[D. Bergin]

Year - 1984

Set - "Formula 1 Grand Prix" Stickers

Issued by - Galp Energy "Galp Energia" in Portugal

Pulled these from Unopened Packs I was lucky enough to get my hands on a little while back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's become much more expensive, but for what it is I still think it has a lot of upside, so added a second one. Probably fooling myself.

[Bored5000]

Peter, when I saw you had a new post in this thread, I thought it was going to be about picking up the 1965 Lampo Jim Clark that ended last night. LOL. I have bought from that seller before, and he does have some neat oddball racing cards, since he is based in Italy. The final price of $1,027 was very strong. I remember a Lampo Clark from the same seller a few months ago that ended in the $400 range.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175358716539

With regard to speculating on prices down the road, I think Max Verstappen is worth loading up on. I know there is a huge danger in buying cards of current athletes, but he is already eighth in career F1 wins at age 24. With the season seemingly going to stay at 21-22 races for the foreseeable future, he has so many more chances to win races than drivers from even one generation ago.

IMO, Hamilton's seven titles and 103 wins are already fully priced into his cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

Peter, when I saw you had a new post in this thread, I thought it was going to be about picking up the 1965 Lampo Jim Clark that ended last night. LOL. I have bought from that seller before, and he does have some neat oddball racing cards, since he is based in Italy. The final price of $1,027 was very strong. I remember a Lampo Clark from the same seller a few months ago that ended in the $400 range.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175358716539

With regard to speculating on prices down the road, I think Max Verstappen is worth loading up on. I know there is a huge danger in buying cards of current athletes, but he is already eighth in career F1 wins at age 24. With the season seemingly going to stay at 21-22 races for the foreseeable future, he has so many more chances to win races than drivers from even one generation ago.

IMO, Hamilton's seven titles and 103 wins are already fully priced into his cards.

I missed that one. Not sure I would have gone that high but yeah, quite a card. What do you like for Verstappen? Anything earlier than 2020?

[Bored5000]

I think the card to have for Verstappen is far and away the 2020 Topps Chrome Card No. 6, either the standard portrait or the short-printed image variation. Cards 1-20 of the 20 drivers from the 2020 Chrome set have already become iconic. The Verstappen stuff from before 2020 are game cards, which I don't think will ever be too in demand.

Don't worry about the other million or so Verstappen cards Topps has produced since 2020. Card No. 6 is the one you want. Of course, there are all kinds of parallels with different print runs. But even the basic refractor from 2020 Chrome has a print run of about 1,100, which isn't outrageous for a worldwide sport.

If you are looking to prospect on F1, another guy to keep in mind is Oscar Piastri. His cards aren't dirt cheap, but he is probably the biggest coming star. He was F3 champion and F2 champion in back to back years. It is crazy that he was merely a reserve driver this year with that resume, but he will almost certainly be in F1 next year (probably with Alpine).

[D. Bergin]

Just stumbled across this on Ebay. (Not mine, and I don't have one)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/39418410886...YAAOSwZBBi5bxk


Based on the numbering, this looks like an actual 2008 issue. Earliest German Ravensburger I have seen. I understand why others won't like them because of the repeat designs but they are a legitimate retail issue, and as Popeye says..."They am, what they am!"

[Bored5000]

How would you like to be the guy who dropped $312,000 on a 2006 Lewis Hamilton Futera card a few months ago, only to have his 2005 F3 card from Formule surface at action this month? I knew that card existed, but had never seen one for sale before.

https://goldin.co/item/2005-formule-...-none-lowlrkqt

I am not much of a fan of magazine cards, but $12,000 (and only three bids) right now for that card just seems way cheap compared to what his Futera card sold for a few months ago.

On a similar note, more Hamilton Futera cards are now coming out of the woodwork. I had not seen one for sale for years, but the current Goldin auction has two more up for bid.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is this a legit Lewis Hamilton card? When we last spoke of the choices for an early card of his, I don't recall it coming up? But there are now a couple on ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38697792319...Bk9SR4TeutX3Yw

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is this a legit Lewis Hamilton card? When we last spoke of the choices for an early card of his, I don't recall it coming up? But there are now a couple on ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38697792319...Bk9SR4TeutX3Yw

Yes, that is a legit early Hamilton option. The card is from a magazine in the Czech Republic and had to be torn out. Hamilton also has a 2005 F3 card and a 2007 card from the same magazine. Just in the past couple years, it seems like people have become aware of these early Hamilton options from such an obscure source.

For a while, Goldin seemed to be auctioning off raw examples of those early Hamilton Czech magazine cards at least occasionally.

Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso and Nico Rosberg also have rookie cards from the same Czech magazine. Because it is an Eastern European publication, "Danica Patrickova" and "Sarah Fisherova" also have cards.