SGC grading is super fast.

[ClementeFanOh]

Just got my submission back from SGC. Left for SGC on July 5 and at my home
July 29. Very fast, holders look great. Seems the "who can be harder on
vintage?" contest is still in full swing, though. I'm sending tobacco only to SGC
next, as a test for how they treat that era. Trent King

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Just got my submission back from SGC. Left for SGC on July 5 and at my home
July 29. Very fast, holders look great. Seems the "who can be harder on
vintage?" contest is still in full swing, though. I'm sending tobacco only to SGC
next, as a test for how they treat that era. Trent King

. Trent ;..Can you share the pain and show us an undergraded example of the new grading standards ? Thanks.

..

[ClementeFanOh]

Hi Mike- If I can figure out how to do it, I will. Seems like PSA/SGC are being
brutally tough on very slight flaws. Let me see what I can do...Trent King

[Natswin2019]

My grades just popped from my latest submission from sgc. Was 7 days to grade a normal submission, super fast

[Lorewalker]

Everyone is focusing on how fast they are grading. I never agree with Trent but he raises the key issue I have raised--the accuracy of their grading. Who cares if you get it back quickly or faster than XYZ grading if the card is 2 grades too low.

Trent's experience has been mine, consistently, with SGC. I prefer them to PSA but simply cannot keep getting hammered on the grades one sub after another. In low grade they seem to get it right...5 and lower but they are seeing shit that is simply not there on better condition cards.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Everyone is focusing on how fast they are grading. I never agree with Trent but he raises the key issue I have raised--the accuracy of their grading. Who cares if you get it back quickly or faster than XYZ grading if the card is 2 grades too low.

Trent's experience has been mine, consistently, with SGC. I prefer them to PSA but simply cannot keep getting hammered on the grades one sub after another. In low grade they seem to get it right...5 and lower but they are seeing shit that is simply not there on better condition cards.

Learned this cardinal rule when I first started working with businesses 40=50 years ago, especially those providing services.

FAST - ACCURATE - CHEAP

Pick two!

And the truth in that statement still hasn't changed till this day, and likely never will.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Learned this cardinal rule when I first started working with businesses 40=50 years ago, especially those providing services.

FAST - ACCURATE - CHEAP

Pick two!

And the truth in that statement still hasn't changed till this day, and likely never will.

It seems that SGC hits all three and PSA in zero for three.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Just got my submission back from SGC. Left for SGC on July 5 and at my home
July 29. Very fast, holders look great. Seems the "who can be harder on
vintage?" contest is still in full swing, though. I'm sending tobacco only to SGC
next, as a test for how they treat that era. Trent King

Granted even a great scan is not as reliable as having a card in hand, but I am seeing countless cards from both PSA and SGC that look 1-2 grades low even if one allows that old school grading has tightened up. Against that backdrop, being gleeful about grading speed seems unwarranted.

[ClementeFanOh]

Gentlemen- to be clear, the vast majority of cards I buy are already slabbed.
Therefore, "speed" is not commonly an issue, it's the grading. It's
my experience that SGC is the more consistent grader than PSA, a topic
separate from speed of submissions. Currently I would say people know SGC
will be strict on vintage consistently, whereas PSA will be more "all over the
map". The topic in this thread has been speed, so I addressed that topic
first. Given the choice of waiting 6 months plus for cards whose grades are
up in the air, or a month for those I now know will be tight, I'll take the
month every time...

I'll also observe that my most recent submission was all vintage, and was
basically a test case. There is no question SGC is being far more exacting on
vintage than in previous years. Why? You tell me, I'd like to know In the
meantime I'll keep doing 90% of my buys as I have been- previously
slabbed cards.

The cards I am submitting next are all tobacco, where (in my opinion) SGC
clearly grades more accurately and has done so for quite some time. I'm
curious to see a) turnaround time per this post's topic and b) if SGC is
tightening up on tobacco too. I have an idea what grade each card should
bring and am eager to see if SGC agrees/is close. I think my tobacco
"self grades" will line up closely with SGCs slabbed grades, certainly more
than my vintage examples. We shall see... Trent King

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Gentlemen- to be clear, the vast majority of cards I buy are already slabbed.
Therefore, "speed" is not commonly an issue, it's the grading. It's
my experience that SGC is the more consistent grader than PSA, a topic
separate from speed of submissions. Currently I would say people know SGC
will be strict on vintage consistently, whereas PSA will be more "all over the
map". The topic in this thread has been speed, so I addressed that topic
first. Given the choice of waiting 6 months plus for cards whose grades are
up in the air, or a month for those I now know will be tight, I'll take the
month every time...

I'll also observe that my most recent submission was all vintage, and was
basically a test case. There is no question SGC is being far more exacting on
vintage than in previous years. Why? You tell me, I'd like to know In the
meantime I'll keep doing 90% of my buys as I have been- previously
slabbed cards.

The cards I am submitting next are all tobacco, where (in my opinion) SGC
clearly grades more accurately and has done so for quite some time. I'm
curious to see a) turnaround time per this post's topic and b) if SGC is
tightening up on tobacco too. I have an idea what grade each card should
bring and am eager to see if SGC agrees/is close. I think my tobacco
"self grades" will line up closely with SGCs slabbed grades, certainly more
than my vintage examples. We shall see... Trent King

I respect that opinion and your choice. I guess TAT to me is not that critical. While I love the SGC holder for me it is more about the ROI when/if I go to sell. I much prefer to have an under graded PSA card to sell than an under graded SGC card.

I would be interested in hearing your experience with the T cards, if you do not mind updating us.

[ClementeFanOh]

Lorewalker- yes, I'll do my best to update. I expect to submit in the very
near future. It'll be a couple T206 and an E101- no rares or HOF, this is just
a test run. I apparently have a better sense of how tobacco will grade than
vintage, so we will see how that plays out this time. Trent King

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Lorewalker- yes, I'll do my best to update. I expect to submit in the very
near future. It'll be a couple T206 and an E101- no rares or HOF, this is just
a test run. I apparently have a better sense of how tobacco will grade than
vintage, so we will see how that plays out this time. Trent King

Best of luck!

Originally Posted by BobC

Learned this cardinal rule when I first started working with businesses 40=50 years ago, especially those providing services.

FAST - ACCURATE - CHEAP

Pick two!

And the truth in that statement still hasn't changed till this day, and likely never will.

Bob I would take 1 out of 3 and be thrilled. The bar has been lowered.