The PSA 101 Jordan is here

Peter_Spaeth · #1 08-02-2022, 11:25 PM

I have it on very good authority that is the first Jordan card. However, I think it being oversize may limit its upside.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 08-03-2022, 01:32 PM

Here's the Court King.

RayBShotz · #3 08-03-2022, 01:34 PM

Were the Supers ever reprinted?

Peter_Spaeth · #4 08-03-2022, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RayBShotz

Were the Supers ever reprinted?

Not to my knowledge, but neither were the 101s, that's a misconception.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 08-03-2022, 02:47 PM

https://www.basketballgold.com/index.php

JustinD · #6 08-03-2022, 11:02 PM

I’ve never heard of any supers being reprinted either Ray. Also, the HSN “reprints” are not even reprints. They were completely different series with misrepresented dates of manufacture that used older photos and are easily identified. The myths that have been spread on these cards are numerous.

It is or now was an absolute stain on PSA to have bought into that nonsense. I think much of the misrepresentation was to continue to support the Fleer values for investors as all the true RCs of many stars are in those Star sets, not in the 86 set.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 08-03-2022, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinD

I�ve never heard of any supers being reprinted either Ray. Also, the HSN �reprints� are not even reprints. They were completely different series with misrepresented dates of manufacture that used older photos and are easily identified. The myths that have been spread on these cards are numerous.

It is or now was an absolute stain on PSA to have bought into that nonsense. I think much of the misrepresentation was to continue to support the Fleer values for investors as all the true RCs of many stars are in those Star sets, not in the 86 set.

I think Beckett hurt star basketball too with the ridiculous XRC designation, but agree PSA takes most of the blame. It will be interesting to see where not only Jordan goes, but also Barkley Stockton and Hakeem.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 08-03-2022, 11:45 PM

The huge irony is that there�s exactly one big time rookie card in 86 fleer. Karl Malone.

JustinD · #9 08-03-2022, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have it on very good authority that is the first Jordan card. However, I think it being oversize may limit its upside.

I think the long play will change the perspective much as it has in vintage with exhibits. The Court King 26 will someday get its due.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 08-03-2022, 11:37 PM

The site I linked addresses many of the misconceptions.

Dead-Ball-Hitter · #11 08-04-2022, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinD

I think the long play will change the perspective much as it has in vintage with exhibits. The Court King 26 will someday get its due.

Totally agree. The 5x7 cards were innovative and contain some real iconic photos. Some feel the Court Kings 5x7 came out at the same time or just before the regular, standard-sized 1984-85 base set. I think its fair to say they were "virtually simultaneously" printed. We know that they were produced (printed and cut) at the print shop in Cherry Hill, NJ in early 1985, during the spring... but that's its. Impossible (so far) to prove anything else. I've seen some early documents from the Star/Levin sale and nothing proves otherwise to me personally.

That said, I consider the #101 Jordan's rookie card. I don't care what you call it (RC, XRC, FPC, TRC, etc). We all know what it really is. Jordan's other two base set cards, the #195 Olympic card and the #288 ROY card are also special, rookie year cards. To me, that's Jordan's rookie year complement of cards. Closely following is the CK 5x7 and the Interlake Bulls 5x7 (not a Star product) IMHO.

Team Supers 5x7 and CK 5x7 are awesome cards with no real authenticity issues and some have amazing photos, like the Barkley below.

I also agree that the Fleer investors are the ones raising issues with Star. Given the FBI case, the auctions, the Schonco inventory, TPG efforts, etc, Star Company is as well established as ANY card produced before 1990.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 08-04-2022, 11:43 AM

Barkley and Olajuwon.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 08-04-2022, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

Totally agree. The 5x7 cards were innovative and contain some real iconic photos. Some feel the Court Kings 5x7 came out at the same time or just before the regular, standard-sized 1984-85 base set. I think its fair to say they were "virtually simultaneously" printed. We know that they were produced (printed and cut) at the print shop in Cherry Hill, NJ in early 1985, during the spring... but that's its. Impossible (so far) to prove anything else. I've seen some early documents from the Star/Levin sale and nothing proves otherwise to me personally.

That said, I consider the #101 Jordan's rookie card. I don't care what you call it (RC, XRC, FPC, TRC, etc). We all know what it really is. Jordan's other two base set cards, the #195 Olympic card and the #288 ROY card are also special, rookie year cards. To me, that's Jordan's rookie year complement of cards. Closely following is the CK 5x7 and the Interlake Bulls 5x7 (not a Star product) IMHO.

Team Supers 5x7 and CK 5x7 are awesome cards with no real authenticity issues and some have amazing photos, like the Barkley below.

I also agree that the Fleer investors are the ones raising issues with Star. Given the FBI case, the auctions, the Schonco inventory, TPG efforts, etc, Star Company is as well established as ANY card produced before 1990.

I think the Lite, Crunch n Munch, Gatorade and Last 11 ROY cards are also good.

Econteachert205 · #14 08-04-2022, 01:33 PM

The only super reprints I have seen are not the right size and immediately recognizable. It has been my opinion that the supers are the most undervalued basketball cards in the market.

Dead-Ball-Hitter · #15 08-04-2022, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The only super reprints I have seen are not the right size and immediately recognizable. It has been my opinion that the supers are the most undervalued basketball cards in the market.

Me too.... I've been buying them up when I see the nicer ones for sale reasonably priced.

Dead-Ball-Hitter · #16 08-04-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think the Lite, Crunch n Munch, Gatorade and Last 11 ROY cards are also good.

I love them all! I just really favor the three base set 84-85 Jordan cards numbered 101, 195, 288.

So many nice cards produced by Star, glad PSA is finally on board. They'll move to the rest of the catalog after they get comfortable with the 84-85 set (I hope). You have some nice examples Peter.

A few big auctions of these cards going on now by large sellers on eBay. You guys interested/watching these? Could set some new price comp's.

Peter_Spaeth · #17 08-04-2022, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

I love them all! I just really favor the three base set 84-85 Jordan cards numbered 101, 195, 288.

So many nice cards produced by Star, glad PSA is finally on board. They'll move to the rest of the catalog after they get comfortable with the 84-85 set (I hope). You have some nice examples Peter.

A few big auctions of these cards going on now by large sellers on eBay. You guys interested/watching these? Could set some new price comp's.

The 288 is notoriously off center hard to imagine one legitimately grading higher than a 7. Of course 195 is typically not that well centered either, or 101 for that matter. IMO Beckett graded a fair number that had been trimmed to improve centering. I hope those don't get into PSA slabs. The subset cards on the other hand don't have centering issues.

Rad_Hazard · #18 08-04-2022, 11:06 PM

The 1984 Star Jordan 195 USA is finally in a PSA holder too! The centering on this one is virtually the same across all copies, but I have faith in my copy since it's a BGS 7.5 with much better corners and edges than this one, but unfortunately the same centering. I could see mine crossing over to a PSA 7 though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23463745700...QAAOSwUT5i4IwX

Exhibitman · #19 09-03-2022, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The subset cards on the other hand don't have centering issues.

Unless you're lucky like me:

Needless to say, not crossing it.

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