T206 Honus Wagner SGC 5 - John D. Wagner Collection

Bridwell · #1 08-09-2022, 04:17 PM

It would be lucky to get a PSA 4, because of the corner wear. Also we can't see the back to see any possible flaws there.

mrreality68 · #2 08-09-2022, 04:23 PM

I agree I do not think it is a 5. But it is a beautiful looking card (back unseen) and it would easily go for over 18 Million Dollars

refz · #3 08-09-2022, 05:32 PM

Perhaps in this case, the centering trumps corner wear? I agree with all of you on this matter. Maybe sgc is going to the next level on such an iconic card or do 3rd party graders do favors for higher end clients? Just my thoughts, on such an awesome card!!

robertsmithnocure · #4 08-09-2022, 05:37 PM

Nice looking card, but not a 5 IMHO.

Republicaninmass · #5 08-09-2022, 05:39 PM

Not a t206 expert

That t/b centering is 50/50?

Lorewalker · #6 08-09-2022, 05:46 PM

Hammer the average submitter and then it is ok when you toss a high profile client an over grade of 1 full grade point their high profile card. Love what they are doing over there.

If they had graded the card right as a 4 (based on the image of the front) it still would still be a killer card. The politics of grading.

BobC · #7 08-09-2022, 11:09 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but that is a VG 3, maybe a VG+ 3.5 card, at best, all day long and twice on Sundays. Don't get me wrong, it is still a great card, and presents well, but all four corners show wear and obvious rounding, and it looks like there may be some surface/coloration issues. Like the print mark/dot that seems to be above Wagner's head to the viewer's right.

FrankWakefield · #8 08-09-2022, 11:23 PM

+1 on what Bob C said.

I dislike grading, not a follower, disciple, nor student. It's a great looking card, and it's a 3.

G1911 · #9 08-09-2022, 11:45 PM

�I�ve never seen one like it. The card has everything going for it: near 50/50 centering, a crisp image, even corner wear, awesome color, and a clean surface. I almost couldn�t believe what my eyes were seeing. These attributes are rare to even your average common T206, let alone a Wagner.�

I love this load of crap. "Even corner wear", they can't of course even pretend those corners are in any way nice. VG T206's with heavy corner rounding are available, dozens per day on the market and are by no means rare "to even your average common T206". Is SGC just adding +2 to any marquee card now, or do you have to pay them off to get your +2 bump?

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #10 08-10-2022, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC

I don't know about the rest of you, but that is a VG 3, maybe a VG+ 3.5 card, at best, all day long and twice on Sundays. Don't get me wrong, it is still a great card, and presents well, but all four corners show wear and obvious rounding, and it looks like there may be some surface/coloration issues. Like the print mark/dot that seems to be above Wagner's head to the viewer's right.

Was hoping somebody would throw out a numerical assessment in this range..

parkplace33 · #11 08-10-2022, 08:52 AM

If this card is an SGC ex card, then my entire collection must be NM.

sreader3 · #12 08-10-2022, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobC

I don't know about the rest of you, but that is a VG 3, maybe a VG+ 3.5 card, at best, all day long and twice on Sundays. Don't get me wrong, it is still a great card, and presents well, but all four corners show wear and obvious rounding, and it looks like there may be some surface/coloration issues. Like the print mark/dot that seems to be above Wagner's head to the viewer's right.

+1. When a company inflates the grade on a high profile card it really hurts credibility. The PSA 8 Wagner is obviously one of the most if not the most extreme example.

Kidnapped18 · #13 08-10-2022, 06:43 PM

Card is definitely not an EX 5...Looks more like a VG 3 to VG+ 3.5

But then again it is still a T206 Wagner

painthistorian · #14 08-11-2022, 07:48 AM

Its so ironic that SGC has been grading so conservatively low last year its insane but because of this high profile train wreck is a 3 or 3.5 at best and thats the old standard which was accurate, hypocrisy should not be the norm with this company

darwinbulldog · #15 08-11-2022, 07:59 AM

Solid 3 any day. Looks like they gave it to the same kid that graded the NM-Mt '52 Mantle in Heritage.

boneheadandrube · #16 08-11-2022, 02:02 PM

Was this card in an old SGC 60/5 holder previously? There were some very soft 60's graded way back, maybe they knew it didn't really make a difference so they left the grade (sort of like a legacy grade). I've seen a few PSA graded 2 and 3 Wagners that are obvious 1's today rholdered the same grade. Its probably just a legacy grade for Wagners so they don't have to change pop reports or registries.
GB

rhettyeakley · #17 08-11-2022, 09:02 PM

That card is at best a 3.5. That used to be what a VGEX card looked like but not anymore. I would expect a 3 if I submitted that card. Overgraded by at least 1.5 grades. Unforgivable.

ClementeFanOh · #18 08-11-2022, 10:15 PM

Whew, a firestorm of controversy! My observations:

1) I have not seen every PSA/SGC slabbed T206 Wagner. However, this is
the sharpest non trimmed (ahem, ahem PSA 8 example) Wagner I have
seen. The centering, image, and reverse are wonderful- the card is
great.

2) If SGC's reasoning is that factors other than the corners justify the
5, I would actually be okay with that; however, this same reasoning
should then apply to any other T206 graded by SGC. For that matter, it
should apply to any card graded by SGC.

3) I wonder how thoroughly this grade was vetted? How many folks looked
at the 5 grade and gave it a thumbs up, is what I mean?

4) I am awaiting a much, much smaller T206 result as I type. I submitted
a McIntyre Brooklyn that is minimally the equal of this Wagner (much
better corners, centering not as good). I am intensely curious to see
the grade now.

5) Someone above said PSA is criticized for being too harsh on grades. This
is not my experience. My criticism of PSA is that they are routinely
inconsistent or out -and- out wrong in their grading, and that said
grading is nothing short of glacial in terms of wait time. I don't think PSA
are harsh, I think they are clueless.

Trent King

Touch'EmAll · #19 08-12-2022, 02:51 PM

Does the card appear to have any creases? Any paper loss front or back? Any stains?

I used to have a Dockmans Mathewson SGC 60 that had quite soft corners, but no other flaws.

profholt82 · #20 08-13-2022, 01:20 PM

As soon as I saw the card, I thought, "how the heck is that a 5?!" Have to say, I'm glad to see that most of you feel the same way. This is a disingenuous business decision by SGC if I had to guess. Probably assuming the 5 grade will make it become the highest selling card of all time at auction, where a proper grade of 3/3.5 would likely get less publicity. That's my assumption anyway.

All of that said, it's a beautiful card and one of the best examples of the Wagner that are out there. But SGC looks bad here.

JackR · #21 02-10-2024, 09:29 AM

�Eye Appeal.�

Fred · #22 02-10-2024, 12:43 PM

That must be a misprint on the label. No way that is a 5, not even close.

Edited to add - Well, at least it's closer in grade than the PSA 00000001 card which is graded an 8 and should be AUTH/ALT.

823dek · #23 02-12-2024, 10:35 PM

solid 3.5 and the witch get witcher

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