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Old 08-19-2022, 06:02 PM
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Career WAR is misleading in a way, it's higher if you pitch longer, unless you negative at the end of a career. 7 year peak WAR might be a better stat.

Clemens is out in my book, cheater.
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Old 08-19-2022, 06:14 PM
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Career WAR is misleading in a way, it's higher if you pitch longer, unless you negative at the end of a career. 7 year peak WAR might be a better stat.

Clemens is out in my book, cheater.
The JAWS metric which is an average of career and peak WAR is good also IMO.
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Anyhow, someone mentioned cards. Here are some.
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Clemens is the correct answer. by a significant measure. He is the greatest pitcher since integration, which I personally consider the greatest of all time because the real old timers did not play against the full measure of competition.

Cy young, Grover Cleveland Alexander and walter johnson etc were all great, but cannot really be compared with post integration pitchers who faced the best of the world.
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Start at 4:11. Four HOURS and eleven minutes that is. I think he was 41.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1eS7462aps
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For primarily post 1980 guys, Clemens first by far. The next few in line are debatable. Can’t argue with Maddux, Pedro, Big Train, Verlander, etc. Mad Max Scherzer even is a delight.

Best short window guy is Doc.
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I'm sure some one, maybe a lot, will disagree with this:

I wish I would have put a caveat in my post that said, "Not tainted with the steroids issue".

I guess that would put Clemons out of consideration.

Funny no one has mentioned Mariano Rivera - remember him? He was a Yankee also AND a member of the Hall of Fame.
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Clemens is the correct answer. by a significant measure. He is the greatest pitcher since integration, which I personally consider the greatest of all time because the real old timers did not play against the full measure of competition.

Cy young, Grover Cleveland Alexander and walter johnson etc were all great, but cannot really be compared with post integration pitchers who faced the best of the world.
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